Age Builder KI Hack

[Tsar Hoikas]

Too much idiocy while I was asleep. Time to answer it all.

I said /decent/ modding communities. Please note the qualifier.

Do you think I'm illiterate? Why would I pull a reference like that out of my @$$? The SC4 modding community is a decent one that put out some great things.

And, if you are tired of being badgered, damn well stick the info out there somewhere, so you can just point them to a decent site with all the info.

So, you're suggesting that we take the "SCREW CYAN!!!! WE'LL MAKE OUR OWN URU!!!!" route? I hate to break it to you, but the guilds are here to help both Cyan and Uru, not send an F.U. at them, as you are proposing. Rationale here and here -- those notices are still in effect because they never said otherwise.

I too do not like COBBS......simply for the fact that EVERY SINGLE TIME I've tried to follow a link to it, it's been down. I thought it had been completely abandoned due to this.
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What I don't like is the: "Oh, you can find all that here at some link to cobbs that doesn't work 90% of the time"

Don't you mean 99.99% of the time? I sympathize with you. I actually needed to go there the other day to see the results of some experiments, but it was down... That ticked me off.

I agree that information that we can access....we should be able to access......

But you're also talking about a LOT of work. There are only a few people that are working on things for the plugin, and all their volunteered (emphasis on that word) time is tied up on that. Transfering all that info from Cobbs to here would take a lot of time. Just like writing up a decent tutorial takes some time.

That is one thing that I've seen over, and over, and yet over again in modding communities, from FPS's to RPG's, people DEMANDING things, as though they are paying for a product.

Remember.......everyone here do what they do purely on a volunteer basis and on their own time. No one here get's paid to do this, nor is it their job.

Yelling at them may make you feel better........but it's not going to solve anything, nor get you what you'd like.

Agreed 100% -- Maybe some information could be migrated here at some point. We're going to have to see how much would be a "safe amount" though.

Okay... so... if the tool team must keep the secrets of plasma, then what's the point of even posting a topic like this, as the average person on GoW will be thoroughly confused. I am very much a newbie on plasma, and don't appreciate "Hey look! a new tool for linking to ages! all you have to do, is get the complete ABM KI, enter this code, and presto!"
you don't have to reveal all of plasma's deep dark secrets, but you could at least say how to get this "complete ABM KI" thingie.
That link to COWIKI does not tell me anything. I understand it must be frustrating to have people always asking questions, but if you post a topic like this, you'll have to reveal something, or it's completely useless to a large majority of explorers on this forum.

You missed the point entirely. We're not "keeping the deep, dark secrets of Plasma," we figured it out, so anyone else can too... Assuming (s)he has four years of his/her life to expend. This topic wasn't meant for novices anyway. So, let me point out this little line of text you must have skipped.

General rule: if you don't understand the hack, don't try it. There is more than enough information here about how to install it if you know what you are doing.

Emphasis mine.

I think I've pointed out all of the logical fallacies here. I hope you are happy for putting Adam in a pissed off mood today... Grrrrrrr I really don't like waking up in the morning to crap like this.

[Jojon]

Well...

At any rate,

Dox links at will...
Dox is the grower...

*awaits directions*

:P

[Lontahv]

I was not here from the start. I was a noob once. I crawled my way up by learning; I had few shortcuts. I suggest your either learn like I did, or have no hack.

You can't always expect something to be user-friendly. Hackers hack so that they can get fun for themselves (hacking for the sake of hacking is rare), we hack for ourselves and share the hacks in a way our peers can understand them. If you cannot understand them, I suggest you either join the hacker world, or ignore the information.

I don't mean to insult tons of people here, it's just that these are my views and I though you might like to hear it from our side (Hoikas and Paradox have stated their views, I thought I'd state mine).

P.S. You can't get the fruits of hacking while staying on the high ground. If ya really want to have hacking fun, stop by and learn from step 1 (mostly reading cobbs archived forums). Also, you can not debate that we're doing something wrong when you're using our hacks.

~Lontahv

[Chacal]

We're pretty typical. There are a few of us willing to spend countless hours hacking a trail through the jungle, and a lot of us just waiting for the trail to be paved, and complaining about the lack of rest areas.
When I see this kind of reaction, I can't blame the few hackers for not willing to spend time breast feeding the rest of us. Despite this, I've always received helpful information when I asked.

Paradox made an unsollicited contribution that is a welcome surprise. I hope this unpleasant attitude from one single and unfrequent contributor won't make this his last.

[Lontahv]

Chacal, good post. It sums it up perfectly.

I think the main reason that Paradox put that code up is to help those who had the know-how to use it. Making tutorials is hard, sometimes you just want to post your code. I don't think he posted it out of spite (thinking "HEHEHE let's see how many n00bs I can stump").

And, if someone who knows how to use it feels like writing a tutorial--the people who are missing out on it now can get a tutorial. From the experience I've had of working on pyprp (not as much as the other devs by a long shot) I've found that one of the hard parts of putting in features is writing the tutorials. So, maybe he just wanted to not have to write _one_ more tutorial.

So, for those who can't currently (don't know what to do) with the code; ask someone who you think might know (not only 'Dox understands what his post means ) and they can help you. It's much better that you do it yourself than have a patcher--you'll learn a lot. And after you do it, you'll be one step closer to writing things like that. No need to feel angry or bad that you don't know what to do--learn how, if there isn't enough info online; ask someone.

~Lontahv

[Whilyam]

I agree that it's high time to end these little secrets.

In that spirit, is there any way to use this with Path of the Shell?

[Tsar Hoikas]

The Alcugs KI Patcher. I don't have the link at my fingertips, though.

[Sophia]

Concerning acquiring knowledge: I have learned long ago that it is not easy to convey what you spent years finding out the hard way yourself... there is so much to everything. Modding is for the determined and not-too-faint-of-heart, that is a fact. I agree it is frustrating, however I agree even more that shouting is not the best way to get knowledge. I am only learning things myself, and I try not to be a nuisance. I know I milk some of you dry (you know who you are ) but I try to be grateful, not throw my toys out of the pram every time I don't get what I want immediately. Just my 2 cents