Re: Questions regarding UAM
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 3:57 am
Ah ! That explains a lot. Dulcamara, you have nothing to blame yourself about, there is no one at fault - CWalther and Dendwaler are right. It's just an unfortunate turn of event.
People want to make their Ages available on more Shards, or need a quick way to test their Age online. And since integration into Deep Island is slow, and since it means explorers might see the Age before it's ready, they go to UAM.
Dustin doesn't look after UAM (*), but since people politely ask him for help, he provides them that help.
I agree, Dustin's intentions were probably good - he was merely helping (**).
What made this situation so complicated is that he left the GoW in the worse possible way, and that his server is not legal. This made us all (me in particular) react quite violently to seeing his Shard was being used again, without knowing Dustin's goal.
Oh, and Korovev:
...And that's why it's good to have topics that warn about these issues.
Otherwise, this situation will happen again, and since Cyan moderators violently remove any reference to the subject, that just makes everyone nervous about possible copyright infringements.
So please, Dulcamara, don't feel bad about it No one is to blame, it's just old history coming back.
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Now, about Dustin and his history in general... Let me explain the sentences I marked with (*) and (**).
→ (*) As Karkadann rightly noticed, the UAM Shard is not even synced with the Shard's UAM database (yes, those terms are confusing). This shows Dustin probably doesn't care much about it.
However, he still helps people who ask him. And that's a problem for the reason I'm about to expose.
As Christian Walther said, the GoW is sometime borderline when it comes to legality.
...But to be accurate it's even more complicated than that. I would say law is almost secondary here, as it's more of a matter of trust between Cyan and the GoW.
The things we do on the GoW don't harm Cyan, and are often beneficial to them in some way. We actually keep copyright infringements to a minimum to prove we mean no harm to Cyan and to keep Ubisoft at bay. Because of that, Cyan is lenient towards us, as this gives us more freedom to make things like the Offline-KI or libHSPlasma.
Because they don't lose money, they can go about upgrading the MOULa servers like they did recently, or make new games like Obduction without worries. Because they trust the builders and hackers around here, they decide to make the engine open-source and let the Intangibles improve MOULa.
Dustin wants to please people around him. Whether it is a form of selfishness or oversized ego isn't important. The fact is even now that he is gone, he still helps people who request him.
However, the biggest problem with this guy is that he was always too stubborn to clear up his UAM mess when he was here, and that he doesn't care now that he left.
→ (**) Which means his "help" always ends up either causing financial loss to Cyan, tensions between Cyan and the GoW, or tensions between fans as this topic proves.
These were the fact. Now, what does that mean about Dustin's intentions ? I see only two possibilities:
Pick whichever you want...
Anyway, I have the answers I wanted about UAM and Dustin, which puts my mind at ease. Thank you all for the informations
People want to make their Ages available on more Shards, or need a quick way to test their Age online. And since integration into Deep Island is slow, and since it means explorers might see the Age before it's ready, they go to UAM.
Dustin doesn't look after UAM (*), but since people politely ask him for help, he provides them that help.
I agree, Dustin's intentions were probably good - he was merely helping (**).
What made this situation so complicated is that he left the GoW in the worse possible way, and that his server is not legal. This made us all (me in particular) react quite violently to seeing his Shard was being used again, without knowing Dustin's goal.
Oh, and Korovev:
...I think the only person this applies to is Dustin. As for the others ? As the MOUL topic shows, there are just those who are aware that UAM is illegal, and those who aren't. But if you warn them they understand that they should avoid it.Korovev wrote:My irritiation comes from people who think that “it runs better” and “it is free” justifies playing on a shard that promotes piracy; it also comes from people who think that because Cyan has not publicly condemned that shard, then they must be happy with its existence.
...And that's why it's good to have topics that warn about these issues.
Otherwise, this situation will happen again, and since Cyan moderators violently remove any reference to the subject, that just makes everyone nervous about possible copyright infringements.
So please, Dulcamara, don't feel bad about it No one is to blame, it's just old history coming back.
-----
Now, about Dustin and his history in general... Let me explain the sentences I marked with (*) and (**).
→ (*) As Karkadann rightly noticed, the UAM Shard is not even synced with the Shard's UAM database (yes, those terms are confusing). This shows Dustin probably doesn't care much about it.
However, he still helps people who ask him. And that's a problem for the reason I'm about to expose.
As Christian Walther said, the GoW is sometime borderline when it comes to legality.
Christian Walther wrote:(wobei allerdings gesagt werden muss, dass sich diverses von was wir hier tun in rechtlichen Grauzonen bewegt, wenn auch nicht derart eklatant)[...]
...But to be accurate it's even more complicated than that. I would say law is almost secondary here, as it's more of a matter of trust between Cyan and the GoW.
The things we do on the GoW don't harm Cyan, and are often beneficial to them in some way. We actually keep copyright infringements to a minimum to prove we mean no harm to Cyan and to keep Ubisoft at bay. Because of that, Cyan is lenient towards us, as this gives us more freedom to make things like the Offline-KI or libHSPlasma.
Because they don't lose money, they can go about upgrading the MOULa servers like they did recently, or make new games like Obduction without worries. Because they trust the builders and hackers around here, they decide to make the engine open-source and let the Intangibles improve MOULa.
Dustin wants to please people around him. Whether it is a form of selfishness or oversized ego isn't important. The fact is even now that he is gone, he still helps people who request him.
However, the biggest problem with this guy is that he was always too stubborn to clear up his UAM mess when he was here, and that he doesn't care now that he left.
→ (**) Which means his "help" always ends up either causing financial loss to Cyan, tensions between Cyan and the GoW, or tensions between fans as this topic proves.
These were the fact. Now, what does that mean about Dustin's intentions ? I see only two possibilities:
- Dustin wants to bring down Cyan, the GoW, fans, and erase Myst from history. While he knows that's impossible, he does his best to make everyone's life bad through a machiavellic plan involving confusing moves - even after years of apparent inactivity.
All we can do is ignore him and warn people not to pay attention to him.
- Dustin is a good hacker but a short-sighted temperamental fool.
All we can do is ignore him and warn people not to pay attention to him.
Pick whichever you want...
Anyway, I have the answers I wanted about UAM and Dustin, which puts my mind at ease. Thank you all for the informations