Pelishard Fork

[Karkadann]

and what of the people who just got into the Palishard for the fun and got caught up in this mess.

I am not too familiar with the Admins of Palishard, and do not know one way or another if what they say about him is true. if the evidence is clear I think this would be the perfect opportunity for him to show the whole community that even though his history may be a questionable one within the the Myst community he can take responsibility for what he has done, repair the damage as much as possible and move on.

Shutting the site down makes everybody using it suffer for the wrong doing of one person.
When you boil it down its all illegal, arguing that my shard is more legal then yours or more morel then yours is kinda weird.

this may be one of the many problems that will be encountered if and when open source happens, use this as a learning opportunity becouse if we are incapable of solving a issue like this, if it ever happens in the future we will still not know how to deal with it

[Chuckles58]

One thing we don't need as we wait for OSUL is shard wars, as we saw what it did to the community in the UU era. Fortunately many of those involved have put it behind them, but some amount of resentment and distrust still lingers years afterwards.

I am disturbed to see the attitude Dehl displayed in the chatlog that kaelisebonrai posted. It makes you wonder about Dehl's motives. Rather than demanding that they shut down the Pelishard, why not encourage them to continue to work on those areas of conflict and see if they have something of value to contribute. I think they have made some effort to fix some of the problems that they had made. Others are irreversible, as the cat is out of the bag as far as the existence of shards.

As we continue to wait for OSUL, the creative folks continue to make strides in building ages and things as well as increasing the collective understanding of all things Uru. There are many of us, plain old ordinary folk that just want a place to have fun, preferably in an Uru environment. Many from the community have gone elsewhere to find it, whether it is WoW, GW, SL, There, Etc.

I agree with Jamey that the next move may be for those running Pelishard, I'm just not sure what that move should be.

[obiwan]

(i take the opposite point just to make you understand, so please dont take it words by words)

In the fact and laws youre all wright, the only thing that no one can deny Is that a LOT of players (only players) want to go back in the cavern...

unfortunatly they dont belong to the "community of programmers" and dont have a special invitation to go on the other shards...

so Delayan offer us for a few second like other elitist like you of course as i understood he did that very badly ... but now the community of player (like us) can go when they want, and play with some friends that they havent seen since a long time,

ans THIS have no price.

1) Have you ever been too a harddiscount foodshop like L%%%% .. ??
If you been there, you know that you buy at a low price, BUT you must know that employees are treated worse than dogs... but are you agree with that ? No but sometime money and time choose for you ...

2) Have you ever listen to pop music ?
A pop singer (most of the time) is a guy who just have good relation , and pickup in a lot of music style, make a soup (sometime good soup) , and moreover in the end, he is rich , and he say: " its me who done everything!!"
And by the way he forget all musician behind him and who practice 8 hours per day ...



So delayan is just a popsinger


continue to blame him but i dont want to catch you in a harddiscount shop or listening popmusic



or in 1 sentence : dont blame with him players who just want to play , but dont have an elitist statut to have an invitation ...


have a nice day everybody anyway

[Jamey]

I am disturbed to see the attitude Dehl displayed in the chatlog that kaelisebonrai posted. It makes you wonder about Dehl's motives. Rather than demanding that they shut down the Pelishard, why not encourage them to continue to work on those areas of conflict and see if they have something of value to contribute. I think they have made some effort to fix some of the problems that they had made. Others are irreversible, as the cat is out of the bag as far as the existence of shards.

I agree with Jamey that the next move may be for those running Pelishard, I'm just not sure what that move should be.

Yes, the Pelishard team should be making the next move, and they need to be careful which move to make. They can say things that either make themselves look better, or things that dig the nails deeper into the coffin.

Dhelayan and others behind the Pelishard may change a thing or two, but as said by ddb174:

I have already said some of the reasons (there are more I won't go into) I don't like Pelishard or Dhel or Mystler, and warned people about them. Some of these things they have since fixed up in order to appease me and other people, but that does not change the underlying character of the admins, and it would not be wise to expect them to somehow be different now.

I was friends with Dhelayan for a long long time, and we had a few issues going back and forth, but in the end, looking back on all of it, he never changed after these issues occurred, which is (like Whilyam) why I am done trying to reconcile with him.

[Chacal]

This is going too far. I wish we still had a moderator. Not that I approve anything Dhelayan allegedly said or did, but cooler heads should prevail.

Declaring someone guilty on hearsay doesn't rank too high in my opinion. Especially since we have not heard Dhelayan's side of the story.

And do we have to? Is this any of our business? The reason for this thread, if you go back to the first post, has ceased to exist. We were understandably angry about credit stealing and this has been fixed.

Jamey, you're way out of line. Insulting someone on this forum is wrong and contributes nothing to the discussion. I wish you would edit your previous post. And I don't think you have an authority or even a right to ask for apologies, and certainly not the closing of a shard that has no relation to us.

I am very concerned when I see posts here that reflect the same paranoia as ones we find on the MOUL forums. We are NOT Cyan's enforcers. We are NOT here to protect Cyan, Cyan's IP or the future of MOUL open-source. We are a community of hackers. If anyone is uncomfortable with the concept, he should go back to the MOUL forums.

[obiwan]

totally agree !

so can we have other shards adress to compare ? or we will be oblige to go on pelishard to play uru on live ?

[Tsar Hoikas]

so Delayan offer us for a few second like other elitist like you

This is out of line. I happen to know of several shards where the owner is not a programmer nor did he invite a super-elite batch of programmers. No, the shard is full of his friends. Don't accuse people of being elitist so readily. You never know who runs the shard until you're invited.

[Karkadann]

One thing now this is more or less a public shard for better or for worse, some just wanna return to their home redecorate their Relto and hang out with friends like mentioned above, no one realy knows when Open Source will begin, and for some this was a port in a very lonely storm. A chance to return to a small sample of what they remember that was Uru Live we don't all have access to Shards until recently. some of the lucky ones never left, and yet some have not been in a public Uru since the shut down.

I'd be willing to bet someone in Cyan has been keeping an eye on this whole situation and is waiting to see if we can resolve it, because if we can't THEY may not wanna trust us with Open source. Uru Live is thier brain child and if it where me I would not trust it to someone who can not work these kinda problems out. because they're gonna pop up sooner or later.

I hate to be a stick in the mud but the pessimistic part of me keeps saying the delay in open source is a result of the shard wars, if im right and the shard wars cant be boiled down to friendly competition and comparing notes of what works and what does not. we may never see open source and then everybody suffers

[Jamey]

Edited past post, I'm very sorry if offense was taken. I lost my cool, and insulting was completely out of line on my part and I sincerely apologize to everyone, including Dhelayan.

But asking for an apology for this whole situation is not that much to ask IMHO. I wish he would at least...

[Karkadann]

Any one can make a mistake or a bad judgment but it takes a different kinda person to admit when they are wrong and correct the issues it caused