Pelishard Fork

[diafero]

The other Shards are hidden, mainly because most of the members of the Uru community seem to want to wait for Cyan to do something "official". Even though the acceptance for hacks like the Offline KI and Drizzle got much better the last months, the same did not happen for Shards - the last burst was vid's "Is it MORE yet" where he posted screenshots of several people in one age, basically spreading the knowledge of Shards existing at all (though he never said whether they were fakes or not). Many people publicly asked for being invited to a scret Shard back then, others publicly spoke about attending such a Shard (someone even complained about *not* being invited ) . However, that information still did not reach the whole community. Cyan themselves seems to accept Shards as long as they stay hidden. Most of the people running Shards respect that. There is some contact and exchange amongst Shard admins, but not that much and many can only suspect others of running or attending a Shard - I expect a lot of effort to be duplicated. The level of secrecy varies from "Our name and address is hardly known, but if someone registers, we'll accept everyone" to "top-secret, invite only, change URLs often to make it hard to trace us".

PeliShard broke than unspoken rule by... wait, I think that was already said, and you asked me not to play Tom and Jerry - I think you know the rest of the sentence anyway

[ddb174]

I don't have a problem with the shard being public at all. And I think the shards should be able to share with each other, and that people can visit many shards, be members of many shards, and go where they feel comfortable. Not everyone is going to get along, nor should they give up what they consider important and abandon any notion of an underlying reality just so that they can get along with each other. That being said, much of what goes on is just bickering, or exclusivity, or similar petty motives. Shards can and do share from each other, and I hope there can be a feeling of share and share alike, even with those you do not like.

I have already said some of the reasons (there are more I won't go into) I don't like Pelishard or Dhel or Mystler, and warned people about them. Some of these things they have since fixed up in order to appease me and other people, but that does not change the underlying character of the admins, and it would not be wise to expect them to somehow be different now. It is important to realise: I am not trying to force anyone not to go there; you are free to visit there and elsewhere, but I know what eventually awaits them there, and so I hope I can help some people steer clear of that.

It is unfortunate that the first public shard was run by those particular people, as it could have been a good thing, but is instead a terrible thing.

[Jamey]

I have already said some of the reasons (there are more I won't go into) I don't like Pelishard or Dhel or Mystler, and warned people about them. Some of these things they have since fixed up in order to appease me and other people, but that does not change the underlying character of the admins, and it would not be wise to expect them to somehow be different now. It is important to realise: I am not trying to force anyone not to go there; you are free to visit there and elsewhere, but I know what eventually awaits them there, and so I hope I can help some people steer clear of that.

It is unfortunate that the first public shard was run by those particular people, as it could have been a good thing, but is instead a terrible thing.

I agree with you completely ddb174. I wouldn't even be able to join the Pelishard even if I wanted to since they seem to get a kick out of banning anyone from their shard and forum who disagrees with them, or gets them upset in one way or another. (such as Hoikas, diafero, and myself). That doesn't seem like the Uru community I've known for a long time.

It's really pathetic in its own, sad way.

[kaelisebonrai]

Can I speak here?

Probably noone but me and Dhel, and /maybe/ Mystler knows about this: I was going to be on the team for the pelishard. Dhel will likely deny this, I don't really /care/.

Sine then, I was suddently dumped from the team, cool, no worries. Joined the shard when it first came up, cool, no worries, mentioned some bugs, talked (as a friend does, and I /believed/ Dhel was a friend at the time, hell, our SL residences were, (and still are!) right next to eachother...) about some possible improvements, etc. Basically, Dhel went off on a angry tirade about "complainers" to me, so, ok, I left the shard, and things were fairly uncomfortable for a while, we make up (so I thought), something happened again, not sure what... Anyways, all through this, I'd bee trying to get a (Private, please don't ask for info, its not working at the moment, anyways) Shard up and running, and we were running into some similar bugs as he was getting it up... So, he managed to fix them, so, I asked "hey, how did you fix that?"... He responded "Secret." And left it at that. Got it running later, thanks to diafero's brilliant efforts! (Thanks mate.)

Cool, no worries, rightio, we're getting a bit muddled around here in the exact timeline, but, hey.

Some point after: I was looking for the VaultManager, he had it, or at least he said he did, I asked him where I could grab it, or at least some google terms, nope, again with the "Secret." business.

Fast forward a bit, dhel and I sort of make up, still things are a bit odd... then, he's annoyed with me again, removed me (and my beloved) from his friends list in SL, cool, rightio, myself and my beloved (in real life, yes) had just bought him some stuff for his birthday and given it to him, just before this..

Randomly on the 25th of July, he messages me, cool, rightio. Seems like nothing had ever happened, treating me like best buddies again... asks me how my shard's coming along, rightio, I said it was down needs some fixing, he says "ah okay". tells me the PeliShard is out of Beta..

lets just have a chatlog..

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[25/07/2009 6:17:03 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: the PeliShard is now out of beta
[25/07/2009 6:17:10 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: ahh, ok
[25/07/2009 6:17:51 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: anything much new?
[25/07/2009 6:17:57 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: lots of stuff
[25/07/2009 6:18:13 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: cool =)
[25/07/2009 6:18:14 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: the PeliLoader, Drizzle PeliShard Edition, Storyline
[25/07/2009 6:18:23 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly noddles
[25/07/2009 6:18:31 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: OnlineKI 2.8.1
[25/07/2009 6:18:32 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: Kahlo
[25/07/2009 6:18:36 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: so lots of stuff
[25/07/2009 6:18:37 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: '....
[25/07/2009 6:18:40 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: kahlo?
[25/07/2009 6:18:43 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: yep
[25/07/2009 6:18:57 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: i tested it yesterday
[25/07/2009 6:19:15 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: i now fixed everything, so we think about releasing it
[25/07/2009 6:19:22 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: nice =)
Dhelapocalyptica
[25/07/2009 6:41:16 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: consider yourself as a beta tester
[25/07/2009 6:41:17 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: :D
[25/07/2009 6:41:23 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: thanks =)
[25/07/2009 6:43:55 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: also, be sure to change the server to http://pelishard.net/uam
[25/07/2009 6:43:57 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: hms, that's odd...
[25/07/2009 6:43:58 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: aha
[25/07/2009 6:43:59 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: thanks
[25/07/2009 6:44:07 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: whats odd?
[25/07/2009 6:44:32 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: i got this error..
[25/07/2009 6:44:34 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: Warning: It appears that you unpacked Drizzle21.jar and ran DrizzlePrp.jar.  You should run Drizzle21.jar directly.  Alternatively, you could run Drizzle with a larger maximum heap space. E.g.: java -Xmx800m -jar DrizzlePrp.jar
[25/07/2009 6:44:48 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: i think its nothing, not sure, though
[25/07/2009 6:45:09 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: whoa
[25/07/2009 6:45:10 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: weird
[25/07/2009 6:45:15 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: runs fine for me
[25/07/2009 6:45:26 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: it runs fine for me, too
[25/07/2009 6:45:32 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: but, it drops that in the list
[25/07/2009 6:48:19 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: hms, weird... seems slower than usual
[25/07/2009 6:48:45 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: but, otherwise, works wonderfully
[25/07/2009 6:49:07 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: great
[25/07/2009 6:49:28 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: how do you like the new icons?
[25/07/2009 6:49:38 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: whatever that age that's in there, seems to download very slowly, but, it could be my connection =)
[25/07/2009 6:49:44 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: it looks very, very nice indeed!
[25/07/2009 6:49:55 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: :)
[25/07/2009 6:50:04 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: i mean the old icons and logo looked so...Weird
[25/07/2009 6:50:11 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: those now look modern
[25/07/2009 6:50:11 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: =P
[25/07/2009 6:50:22 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: i think the old stuff was... uh
[25/07/2009 6:50:26 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: "programmer art"
[25/07/2009 6:50:33 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: yea!
[25/07/2009 6:52:36 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: =)
Dhelapocalyptica
[25/07/2009 6:53:00 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: heres a hopefully fixed one
[25/07/2009 6:53:06 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: ahh, cool, thanks
[25/07/2009 6:53:18 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: im a total noob at Java :D
[25/07/2009 6:53:25 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: =P
[25/07/2009 6:53:33 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: aswell as Plasma, Alcugs, C++
[25/07/2009 6:53:34 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: :D
[25/07/2009 6:53:38 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: XD
[25/07/2009 6:54:05 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: oh, btw, that error some people had with the peliloader and cancelling?
[25/07/2009 6:54:10 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: i had the same issue
[25/07/2009 6:54:16 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: aah okay
[25/07/2009 6:54:23 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: i'll check that
[25/07/2009 6:54:27 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: its weird
[25/07/2009 6:54:33 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: it is, yeah =/
[25/07/2009 6:57:23 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: does the new Drizzle work?
[25/07/2009 6:57:33 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: i'm still about to check =)
[25/07/2009 6:57:40 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: yup
[25/07/2009 6:57:41 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: it does
[25/07/2009 6:57:47 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: aah great!!
[25/07/2009 6:57:48 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: woo
[25/07/2009 6:58:06 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: then i compiled it wrong the first time
[25/07/2009 6:58:43 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: ahhh...
[25/07/2009 7:25:43 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: and now to hack some other shard's dataservers
[25/07/2009 7:26:00 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: hms?
[25/07/2009 7:26:05 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: what do you mean?
[25/07/2009 7:26:16 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: the AC shard, which is also in germany, wants a war with us
[25/07/2009 7:26:36 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: like "we broke the rules" blabla
[25/07/2009 7:26:43 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: ..what rules?
[25/07/2009 7:26:54 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: to keep the shards secret
[25/07/2009 7:27:00 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: but WHY should we?
[25/07/2009 7:27:23 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: i was never made aware of any such "rules"
[25/07/2009 7:27:36 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: exactly! THEY made them
[25/07/2009 7:27:42 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: not Cyan or any official group
[25/07/2009 7:28:20 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: ahh...
[25/07/2009 7:33:44 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: so, they want a war, they get one :DD
[25/07/2009 7:33:47 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: we are ready
[25/07/2009 7:34:09 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: for example, they upgraded their server yesterday
[25/07/2009 7:34:11 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: for the Sparklies
[25/07/2009 7:34:26 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: and one day later, WE have them too :D
[25/07/2009 7:34:33 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: ahh
[25/07/2009 7:34:44 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: its good to have people inside the other shard to spy... ;)
[25/07/2009 7:35:02 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: =P
[25/07/2009 7:49:42 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: booyah!
[25/07/2009 7:49:49 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: soon we'll have the sparklies... ;)
[25/07/2009 8:22:08 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: oh and hey, if you need any help with your shard, let me know
[25/07/2009 8:22:31 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: thanks =)
[25/07/2009 8:22:31 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: we independent shard owners have to work together against the evil ones
[25/07/2009 8:22:31 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: :D
[25/07/2009 8:22:37 PM] Blake "Kaelis Ebonrai" Heatly: <g>
[26/07/2009 9:51:49 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: lol there are rumours going on that we are working together with Cyan on...lets say...something else(tm)
[26/07/2009 9:51:50 PM] Dhelapocalyptica: :D

I'm not saying much through this whole thing, but, I'm thinking "WTF?" the whole damn time, and just doing my best to stay the hell out of the way of this rubbish. But, later, I got invovled in this thread, and then went "hangon, he didn't release source, did he?" and then felt like a right idiot. My apologies to Dustin, (and other contributors) for my my lapse in, well, common sense. Some point after this, after I posted, he removed me from his Steam Friends list, (at least, and /possibly/ his skype list, though, he's on right now, so, who knows.)

so, what the hey. might as well out the full details while I'm at it.

[diafero]

Thanks a lot for sharing this, kaelisebonrai.

[Whilyam]

Karkadann, I have long advocated and long desired that members of this community work together. To reconcile differences. With that said, Dhelayan has used up all of my patience, good will, and benefit of the doubt. He is not a man dedicated to furthering Uru, nor helping its cause. He is a fraud interested only in his own ego. From fabricating work at a fake job at Cyan, to lying about having a job at Gametap or Ubisoft's German location (they don't have a German location), to announcing at a Live shut-down mourning party that Cyan would not be shutting down Uru Live and by doing so send at least forty fans on yet another emotional roller-coaster, Dhelayan has come to the end of my line. None of this surprises me anymore, it only disappoints me. To use and exploit people who have been so decent, so kind as to donate their free time to the continued enjoyment of Uru, and then to ban them outright and put his name into the credits of the code is simply beyond words.

To Dhelayan now. Of all the people with whom I have had disagreements with, and certainly I have had many, you are the only one with whom I would never attempt to reconcile with. The does not mean, though, that I think you can't change. But you have lied to me too many times, you have hurt too many people for me to, in good conscience, say the words "I forgive you."

Again, though, this does not mean I think you cannot change, that you cannot become a better person. The others you have harmed and mistreated will have to speak for themselves, but you at least can do a small something towards healing what you have wrought. You can properly apologize to those you stole Drizzle and the OfflineKI from and then remove your ban on them from your shard. Perhaps then we all can work together.

[Karkadann]

It is the first Shard that I know of that was advertised on the Mystonline forums (even though it wasn't exactly the kind of thing that Cyan would allow), allot of people did find out about it. which does give it a unique advantage. Also it would appear that the Pelican shard is the spot light to some extent. It is being talked about threw-out the Myst community.In other words all eyes are on you and the Pelishard what you do with the attention you have attracted can be to your advantage or to your disadvantage.


Whats done is done history is written in stone the future is still very much fluid. you need to use the present to solidify the future into a history you can be proud of.
The Fluidity of the Future is solidified by the present into history of the past............:- )

[Nalates]

Dhel and Pelishard are a problem for the community and the future open source. His actions show how vulnerable new players and those not participating in the larger community are to misinformation. Posts in the Forum - French to English show how turned around things can get.

While the Open Source Survival video is long it shows the ways that healthy communities are maintained and nurtured. So, far no group has effectively controlled the Uru community. Cyan is somewhat missing in action, understandable at this point. But, if they are not going to step up now the community will need to do something. As much as I like a laissez faire style of community management the community may need to consider how to handle something that is developing into more than a divergence of opinion. The problems seen when UU was running are starting up again, apparently. We can learn from that or repeat the same mistakes now.

[kaelisebonrai]

Nalates, I'm going to let you in on a little bit of info.

I've been devving for the Open Source Game Dev community for the past few years, not as a programmer, mind you. (though, I've been absent for a while now, I check in from time to time, not much of the politicing has changed).

There is no single group controlling everything, for that to be the case, would be the utter /defeat/ of all open source stands for. Open source is not about a single, concerted effort, it is /not/ about working together. It is, truly, about Freedom. Freedom to do as you will, within the rules of the license the software is released under.

If open source uru is to survive, and, for that matter if it is to, indeed, thrive, it must not be constrained by groups controlling anything but their own contributions to the whole, by that "control" I specifically mean, that they must ensure that their contribution is being used under the license that they set forth when they release it. When Uru becomes open source, the licenses will become King, not guilds, not individuals, the licenses. Understand that the community, when Uru becomes open source, will no longer just be us Uruites, it may perhaps encompass others. Others outside our methods, others who may not care who did what, or may not even care enough to pay any attention to unwritten rules, hell some will go so far as to break those rules simply because they /are/ unwritten.

These people, however *will* care about the licenses. They will also care if you could have possibly been able to release said content under said license. They *will* care where you got said texture, where you got that model from. They will care if you broke that license, and they certainly will make a big deal about it.

While google is notable in the open source world as being (usually) a strong supporter... There is a group, a company, that is /much/ more notable when it comes to open source, or, to use their term, when they started the entire open source movement, Free Software. Free in this case is not Gratis, not lack of cost, it is Libre, it is Freedom. Or, as some say, "Free as in speech, not free as in beer." This group, is the Free Software Foundation.

Please, I urge all of you, to read about what open source/Free software really is, at: http://www.fsf.org/

What it means to be Free software, what its all about.

This isn't about working together, its about having freedom. Free software has a habit of being community-based, but, this is not necessarily the only form Free software takes.

[Jamey]

WHAT WHILYAM SAID

[Taken out due to Offense Taken, Sorry to all offended]

If Dhelayan wants to shut down his shard and sincerely apologize to everyone for this whole situation, this is his big chance. He should shut his shard until it ceases to be a clear danger to the peace of this community.