Guild of Writers Leadership

Re: Guild of Writers Leadership

Postby Aloys » Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:32 pm

There is something simple that we must keep in mind at all times; this Guild has essentially three goals:
1) Developping the tools necessary to make Ages.
2) Sharing the knowledge about these tools and how to use them.
3) Creating Ages.
These are three very different but inseparable, and the can be attained perfectly without a structure; all pushed forward separately by individuals or independent groups (although these groups might need a structure for them that's unrelated). That has successfully worked for two years now, except that all the people involved so far weren't named the GoW.

We don't really *need* a structure for that; but it will be a welcome help. What we really need a structure for is to interract with other guilds, and Cyan (and possibly the DRC), and essentially to ease things and help people wherever needed. Also other important duties (like forum moderation) don't really fall under the responsabilities of a guild, but since we are going that way we might as well harmonize everything.

But for the core activities of the guild we don't really need a structure. And as such I think that whatever structure will be in place will have little actual authority or power (OMG the P word..) over that. So, in my opinion there is no need to be scared about the potential for corruption or the amount of power people will have in their hands. Finally, as D'lanor rightfully mention we are all here on a voluntary basis, so authority will always be a very relative thing. If we see that the members of the council in place are somehow doing wrong it will be easy to put them down. And I certainly hope it'll never come to this.

Now if we start a deep debate over that structure and how it could be better, we still won't have a structure when Live Season 2 will start. Trylon and the gang are trying to put a structure together to make things go further and because the other guilds are asking for it. So let's go with it and we'll see how things evolve..

[quote=Kato]Also, I think that the idea of a "voting people," group is inherently discriminatory[/quote] Everyone who would wish to vote would be welcomed, people would just have to post their names on a thread; it would take 5 seconds. No discrimination here. It is just a way to get more precise numbers about the 'active people'. We might have 100 active forum posters, but if there are only 19 who are interested in voting, and we need 20% of voters to agree, then the system doesn't work.
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Re: Guild of Writers Leadership

Postby Kalypso » Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:54 pm

I agree with AndyLegate from the GoMa. Seeing how your guild manage the election process will be highly informative to us at the GoMe. Although I am not looking for this day, eventually it will also come for us to elect representatives. (Urg... just saying it feels wrong) I'll check from time to time to learn from your experience and make sure to not repeat your future mistakes. lol

By the way, although I am not elected "communication representative" at the GoMe, I handle most communications between the messaging organizations and the other guilds so feel free to talk to me instead of a thread in a forum. ;)
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Re: Guild of Writers Leadership

Postby Paradox » Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:53 pm

There is the possibility of setting up a voting system similar to the one used by amonre during the DRCL Elections.

It required users to make voting choices, then sent them an email to confirm those choices. From an admin backend, the choices, the IP Address, and the email were all listed so that it could be confirmed that multiple votes were not coming from the same IP.

I think that would greatly decrease the fears of illegal votes, and the election could be run from the back by a separate entity.
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Re: Guild of Writers Leadership

Postby andylegate » Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:31 pm

Just wanted to add quickly on the subject of non-GoW people who post here in this forum possibly voting.

While I have been posting in this forum, the majority of it was to ask Age creation questions mostly, or to read what others have done, how they've done it, how successful it was, etc.

I'm a supporter of the GoMa. I'm a Guildmaster with the Pre-GoMa. I don't really think I have any business voting on things concerning your guild. While I would love to read the debates on such posts, and maybe even interject a comment or two, I would in no way DREAM of participating in a vote here (except a poll on my opinion only).

This is simply how I feel. Just as one of our Senators in our Congress can not vote in the House, or vise versa. I feel that if I want to vote, I would need to shed my Pre-GoMa hat and come over here (sorry, Age making is fun, but building a Guild from scratch is even more fun IMO).

Yes, over at the Pre-GoMa, we posted our elections on a public poll over at MOUL forums. We felt that it should be open to the public. But when it comes to voting on the subjects within the Pre-GoMa itself, then it should be done over in our forum only.

So worry not from me anyways, I'll just watch your votes and / or elections, but I wouldn't dare interfere (except running my mouth off like this, and cheering on those trying to bring structure here... :D )
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Re: Guild of Writers Leadership

Postby Kalypso » Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:44 pm

Obviously the same thing apply to me. Voting on GoW matters would not be appropriate for me and I even doubt that discussing by giving my opinion wouldn't be out of line as I do not know the little details of the GoW that draw the difference between a Guild member and a "visitor".

ps: Andy, don't you have some training business to do at your department? :D Just kidding. Congrats BTW.
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Re: Guild of Writers Leadership

Postby andylegate » Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:55 pm

ps: Andy, don't you have some training business to do at your department? :D Just kidding. Congrats BTW.


ROFL!!! :lol:

Yes, I do. But that business is creating Training Ages for Trainees...hehe. So I have to stick my nose in here quite a bit to get advice on how to really screw up my Age, or have Trylon go: "No no no!" on the scripting when I get it wrong!
J/K, everyone here has been a big help on my tech questions.
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Re: Guild of Writers Leadership

Postby Trylon » Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:04 am

Aloys wrote:We might have 100 active forum posters, but if there are only 19 who are interested in voting, and we need 20% of voters to agree, then the system doesn't work.


Actually, we'd just need 20% of active people to vote (either agree or disagree), to follow whatever they decide. (A small difference from needing 20% of active people to accept.)

A little background on the 20% requirement:
When less than 20% of the active people votes, it can be said that there is not enough interest on this issue in the guild. That's why it is then forwarded to a council vote. By not voting, the guild members effectively said that the council can decide. As compensation for those who did vote, the result of the poll wíll count as two additional votes in the following Full Council vote.

Should we decide to follow a list of registered people instead of active forum members, I expect it to be the reference list of writers that we already have, perhaps a little changed, but not a separate list for people who want to vote.
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Re: Guild of Writers Leadership

Postby BAD » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:11 am

Using a registry still does not make up for the fact that some people will most likely register, than never actually vote. Skewing the numbers yet again. That is why I believe this more fluid way of a voting system would be better than using a solid list of names. :)
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Re: Guild of Writers Leadership

Postby OnslaughtQ » Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:23 am

Do the bots that regularly visit our forums get a say in the vote as well? :D
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Re: Guild of Writers Leadership

Postby Nek'rahm » Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:24 am

Very nice, very nice ^_^

Well, with any hope, this system will help better organize us as a guild and put into motion a few Ages for Cyan to take a gander at.

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