Community Nexus

[diafero]

Nathan, I think you missed the point that we do NOT want to separate fan-ages from Cyan ages. There is no reason to, neither OOC nor IC. And the point Chloe mentioned - IC, D'ni-fan ages are of course not fan-written but explorer-discovered/restored - is another item on the "pro" list for two Nexi I forgot about.

So, in the "two Nexi" model, Cyan's Nexus would keep the hoods, the invites, and the link to Cyan ages in D'ni, which would (without a visible distinction) extended by fan-ages in D'ni. The Writer's Nexus would contain all the other fan-ages. In both cases, fan-ages could be either permanently visible or collected as a bonus. The Nexus stations registering non-D'ni-fan-ages (those connected to the Writer's Nexus) would be similar to the other ones, but with a clear distinction. Maybe I can add the Writer's Nexus to the existing Nexus book (though that'd be a bad hack, since the book only appears if you actually got a Nexus instance... but well, the whole Shelf is a really bad hack), or it would need another easy way to be reached from Relto.
In the "one Nexus" model, the fan-created Nexus would get the same sequence prefix and age name as the original one. It would then replace it, and you would end up in there whenever any age links to Nexus. Slightly less confusion about two Nexi, but concerns (due to removing a Cyan age), maybe IC trouble, and a more crowded interface (as the hood, invite, and large age set functionality would have to be present in just one GUI). Oh, and more coding work to clone the original Nexus' behaviour

[Egon]

Maybe I can add the Writer's Nexus to the existing Nexus book (though that'd be a bad hack, since the book only appears if you actually got a Nexus instance... but well, the whole Shelf is a really bad hack), or it would need another easy way to be reached from Relto.

Actually I think just another book with link to Wrtier's Nexus, on Relto Shelf would be sufficient. In fact I always wanted to use that red cover visible in Phil's Relto (the one which also has Nexus symbol)).

[nathan2055]

OK, this makes since now. And there should be a WNexus book on the first slot in the bottom shelf-the UAM plugin can't remove it. I wonder if we could use the Nexus II cover from Phil's Relto?

[diafero]

Of course, that cover could be extracted and used. It would however be hard to separate that book from the other fan-age books on the lower shelf since I could not yet think of a good way to add dynamic separators there. So it would end up taking two slots, one for the Nexus book, and then a free slot separating that book from the rest of the books on that row.

[kaelisebonrai]

Actually, I'd personally recommend another book cover, a new one, perhaps.

What you call the "nexus symbol" isn't a defining symbol of a nexus-type device, and most likely the writer's nexus won't have it =P

(The symbol also shows up in a whole lot of other places - its my opinion that it means "community" rather than "nexus". (it shows up at various meeting/gathering places =P) I've heard of other people saying they think it means "linking", but I'm not sure on that one. =) )

Since it probably won't show up in the writer's nexus, it probably is a bad idea to use that cover - plus, that cover is just a spine, not an actual book cover, like the rest of phil's relto's unique books. =)

[Egon]

Actually, I'd personally recommend another book cover, a new one, perhaps.

I'm not stubborn on that. Then I sad "long time ago" I really meant loooong before this thread started, and before I saw current Writer's Nexus design (which does unfortunately say more "Writer's Nexus" then a "Community Nexus").

The symbol also shows up in a whole lot of other places - its my opinion that it means "community" rather than "nexus". (it shows up at various meeting/gathering places =P) I've heard of other people saying they think it means "linking", but I'm not sure on that one. =)

Hmm, if this symbol does mean "Community" then this cover isn't that bad after all:
Mostly red cover as reference to Writers, and symbol of a Community - pretty neat I say.

But yeah: for me also this symbol was meant to mean "linking".

plus, that cover is just a spine, not an actual book cover, like the rest of phil's relto's unique books. =)

Yeah I know. But that is a minor detail compared to the fact that the whole new freaking Nexus is being build

In the end with current Age design we will probably do something similar to "Writer's Niche" book cover:
Dark black cover with red Wrtiers sumbols on top and bottom, and maybe also a symbol (mention above) in the middle.

Of course, that cover could be extracted and used. It would however be hard to separate that book from the other fan-age books on the lower shelf since I could not yet think of a good way to add dynamic separators there. So it would end up taking two slots, one for the Nexus book, and then a free slot separating that book from the rest of the books on that row.

Whoa??? Ok, why move Cyan Nexus book? I assume that it could stay exactly in the old place. As for Writer's Nexus: why not use this empty space which is always present next to Agu'era book?

[kaelisebonrai]

uh... Re: nexus book placement....

I assume diafero means this new nexus book, not cyan's nexus. =P I'm not sure if you've looked at the bookshelf recently, but there isn't an empty space next to ae'gura's book in Path of The Shell. =P

There are, of course, 2 spots in MO:UL's shelf, but for now, we're working with Path of the Shell's shelf. =P

Of course UAM KI could do some weird other stuff, but I wouldn't know about that as I do not intend to use the UAM KI any time soon. =P And, on top of that, this should not require the UAM KI.

[N. Sigismund]

Would it be possible for a programmer to explain what's so important about the book shelf on Relto? I know it's very complex code, but from a very basic point of view, what would be so bad about having a Relto page that simply inserts the book on a little book stand inside the hut? Say in some future MOULa shard, you'd have to go to Kirel and pick it up from the Writer's stand there.

[nathan2055]

Actually, I'd personally recommend another book cover, a new one, perhaps.

What you call the "nexus symbol" isn't a defining symbol of a nexus-type device, and most likely the writer's nexus won't have it =P

(The symbol also shows up in a whole lot of other places - its my opinion that it means "community" rather than "nexus". (it shows up at various meeting/gathering places =P) I've heard of other people saying they think it means "linking", but I'm not sure on that one. =) )

Since it probably won't show up in the writer's nexus, it probably is a bad idea to use that cover - plus, that cover is just a spine, not an actual book cover, like the rest of phil's relto's unique books. =)

Yes, a new cover, maybe something red, with Community/Linking Symbol, and some Book icons above and below it.

uh... Re: nexus book placement....

I assume diafero means this new nexus book, not cyan's nexus. =P I'm not sure if you've looked at the bookshelf recently, but there isn't an empty space next to ae'gura's book in Path of The Shell. =P

There are, of course, 2 spots in MO:UL's shelf, but for now, we're working with Path of the Shell's shelf. =P

Of course UAM KI could do some weird other stuff, but I wouldn't know about that as I do not intend to use the UAM KI any time soon. =P And, on top of that, this should not require the UAM KI.

Yeah, I would personally like the MO:ULa shelf, but since we are stuck with this....

Would it be possible for a programmer to explain what's so important about the book shelf on Relto? I know it's very complex code, but from a very basic point of view, what would be so bad about having a Relto page that simply inserts the book on a little book stand inside the hut? Say in some future MOULa shard, you'd have to go to Kirel and pick it up from the Writer's stand there.

Yes, that would go with my old idea of moving Fan Ages to a new hut on Relto, it sort of failed.
But, having that is a good idea.

[diafero]

Whoa??? Ok, why move Cyan Nexus book? I assume that it could stay exactly in the old place. As for Writer's Nexus: why not use this empty space which is always present next to Agu'era book?

As kaelis noticed, I meant the Community/Writer's Nexus. And there are no free slots in the POTS Shelf anymore, except for the one used as separator in the lower row.

Would it be possible for a programmer to explain what's so important about the book shelf on Relto? I know it's very complex code, but from a very basic point of view, what would be so bad about having a Relto page that simply inserts the book on a little book stand inside the hut? Say in some future MOULa shard, you'd have to go to Kirel and pick it up from the Writer's stand there.

Well, editing the Shelf is much easier than adding a Relto page . Also, we are talking about the present here. I long stopped planning for that "distant future when Cyan releases anything", it's really not worth to let anything depend on them. POTS and UU Shards are the only properly working ones we got so far, with - as far as I am informed - POTS Shards being the only one offering all the fan-ages. So, Relto integration should work there, without depending on KirelMOUL. I personally would just let that book appear in Relto, but I am not sure what your IC guys think about that

Seeing two Nexi seem to be consensus, I will try to formulate the technical requirements, as far as I can judge them - that is, mostly the changes required in Offline KI. However, I still do not know if UU compatibility is meant to be a design goal, in which case this needs to be handled differently.