Community Nexus

[nathan2055]

Just to re-iterate: The options we came down to are to either add a new Nexus for ages that were written by an explorer, and keeping all the ages that are located in D'ni, in Cyan's Nexus (I wonder where ages that were written by a D'ni but found by an explorer, and those ages that were not written but created and reached differently - PlasmUru Maps - would belong to? I'd assume the Writer's Nexus). So Cyan's Nexus would be the D'ni's original intra-cavern travel system, and the new Nexus would be restored and extended by explorers to fit our needs. Or, as an alternative, to replace the GUI in Cyan's Nexus - and only the GUI - to get all ages there. This was all seen from an IC perspective, so fan-ages that are located in D'ni would go to Cyan's Nexus; we do not want to artificially distinguish ages by their author (Cyan vs. fans).
My personal favourite is the first solution, and it seems to be the general stance (from comments like Chloe's or Carl's).

To be honest, I disagree with both of those solutions. The main reason I wanted this was to separate Cyan's Ages from Fan Ages. If this doesn't happen, then people who are looking for Fan Ages they didn't know were Fan D'ni Locations would have a hard time. Anyway, both of diafero's options require adding a new GUI to Cyan's Nexus (which would be a good thing, as it would allow us to add advanced features like Build Your Own Bevin, but do we want to spend the time to code two different GUIs?). Besides, this would also remove the ability to use the Age Viewer on Fan D'ni Locations.

[Luna]

I disagree with separating Cyan's Cavern locations from Fan Cavern locations. IC is the nexus THE way of travel within the Cavern,separating areas out would be weird. I think that if we would make a separation on Cyan vs Fan areas/ages this will also seem to people like we are saying "Fan ages will never be as good as Cyan ages" , I will not go into a discussion on whether this is true or not, but I do not think it is a message we want people to get. So unless there is a very good reason to separate the Cavern locations, I would not do it.

I think Diafero's first option is the best and most supported.

[diafero]

The main reason I wanted this was to separate Cyan's Ages from Fan Ages. If this doesn't happen, then people who are looking for Fan Ages they didn't know were Fan D'ni Locations would have a hard time.

You mean, they will look for the age in the wrong list? This might indeed be a problem, but on the other hand, it's just two lists, and the list of D'ni-location fan ages is not that long. I think it's not worth separating ages by author for that little gain.

Anyway, both of diafero's options require adding a new GUI to Cyan's Nexus

No, they don't. As you can see already now, even without modifying Cyan's GUI, all the fan ages are available - this is all done in Python.

Besides, this would also remove the ability to use the Age Viewer on Fan D'ni Locations.

How that?

[nathan2055]

How that?

Simple, the Age viewing machine is in the WNexus. If we are going to have a sophisticated machine in one place, and a simple piece of software in another, that would look ridiculous.
That returns us to another idea I like: replacing Cyan's Nexus with the WNexus. In the long run, I think that would allow us in the long run to implement new features, and, if you think about the big picture, move URU closer to open source.

[Wamduskasapa]

That returns us to another idea I like: replacing Cyan's Nexus with the WNexus. In the long run, I think that would allow us in the long run to implement new features, and, if you think about the big picture, move URU closer to open source.

I also believe The Idea of completely replacing the Nexus with the WNexus, would be best

[GPNMilano]

Simple, the Age viewing machine is in the WNexus. If we are going to have a sophisticated machine in one place, and a simple piece of software in another, that would look ridiculous.
That returns us to another idea I like: replacing Cyan's Nexus with the WNexus. In the long run, I think that would allow us in the long run to implement new features, and, if you think about the big picture, move URU closer to open source.

I also believe The Idea of completely replacing the Nexus with the WNexus, would be best

Do either one of you wish to be the one to send Cyan a message stating we've decided to arbitrarily remove one of their ages from their game and replace it with our own? Cause I sure as hell don't.

1. The age viewer is not a viewer, it's simply an imager with stored KI shots of each of the ages, that are loaded up when you choose the age in the WNexus's age list. This frees us from worrying about the IC issues of wether or not Atrus was the only D'ni to develope age viewer technology cause we don't have to address it. Other than the added viewer the WNexus would work in the same manner as the Cyan Nexus.

2. Fan locations being located in the Cyan Nexus makes more sense IC, as it would return the Nexus to what it was orginally intended for, mass travel within D'ni itself. Regardless of how it looks, this really is the best way both IC and OOC to handle the situation, and as we move to open source, (should that ever trully happen) it's the more logical way Cyan and the community would accept it.

[D'nial]

If I may vomit forth my opinion, I would say that my favourite solution is to change the GUI of the existing Nexus.

[Tweek]

If I may vomit forth my opinion, I would say that my favourite solution is to change the GUI of the existing Nexus.

^ this

[GPNMilano]

If I may vomit forth my opinion, I would say that my favourite solution is to change the GUI of the existing Nexus.

Changing the GUI of the existing Nexus would require a rewrite of cyan's python file for the nexus. It would also require an entirely new GUI for the Nexus itself to create the neceassary buttons and animations required for a rewrite. Not impossible, but all it would do is simply reorganize the mess that the Nexus currently is in. Which still doesn't help the solution of the Nexus, well being a mess.

EDIT: It also requires us to address the issue of wether or not we should tamper with a resource of Cyan's to suit our own needs. In the past, changes to the KI, and Nexus have been superficial and done entirely in Python, in order to not have to resort to changing the existing PRPS too much. A completely new GUI would mean discarding the one made by Cyan, creating a new one. It'd be akin IMO, to going in and making major changes to someone elses age without their approval. Granted in the past I have done so to Cyan's ages, however these were superficial changes like adding books in new prps that could be removed easily by anyone who didn't want them. The former is a bit different then the latter.

[nathan2055]

If I may vomit forth my opinion, I would say that my favourite solution is to change the GUI of the existing Nexus.

Changing the GUI of the existing Nexus would require a rewrite of cyan's python file for the nexus. It would also require an entirely new GUI for the Nexus itself to create the neceassary buttons and animations required for a rewrite. Not impossible, but all it would do is simply reorganize the mess that the Nexus currently is in. Which still doesn't help the solution of the Nexus, well being a mess.

EDIT: It also requires us to address the issue of wether or not we should tamper with a resource of Cyan's to suit our own needs. In the past, changes to the KI, and Nexus have been superficial and done entirely in Python, in order to not have to resort to changing the existing PRPS too much. A completely new GUI would mean discarding the one made by Cyan, creating a new one. It'd be akin IMO, to going in and making major changes to someone elses age without their approval. Granted in the past I have done so to Cyan's ages, however these were superficial changes like adding books in new prps that could be removed easily by anyone who didn't want them. The former is a bit different then the latter.

Actually, I think you are right in the fact we shouldn't edit or delete Cyan's content. Exactly the reason I want Fan D'ni Locations in the WNexus ( ).