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Id work on it my self if I could.......................

I thougt you wanted to put a garden where now there is the green so I thought about the sound of nature.

Deledrius wrote:Maybe something like this? Möbius Music Box

Good idea. It could be fun to have a simple song that reverse every time the player change angle. I can do some tracks with the same arrangement but with reversed melody but the track don't have to be suddendly interrupted when the player change angle. Is it possible after changing angle to let ending the current track and than starts the second reversed?
I can do 3 different loop track if you can to make them play with the correct loop. If it is not possible I can write a single track with this kind reversed melody.

Since this thread has started I have unfortunately had to sacrifice any further of my own contributions to Relativity with the exception of a possible prp file and even then its a lot of "/location" hit and miss to get the object placed right. a bit frustrating at times but a sacrifice that was well worth getting it working. So at this point, its all up to the blender artist to complete it. Matt said he was working on it however I believe he got side tracked with a few Real Live priorities. I put a lot of work into the original structure (more then I am willing to admit) but can not figure out Blender so again its up to you Blender guys. The only request I have is that any addition you make would be something M.C. Escher would be proud of. On that note I believe the files are available on page 5 of this thread. And if we ever get this as a fan addition to one of the Open Source shards I think it will be a first for video games as far as M.C Escher's Relativity is concerned. With the right advertising it might help Uru/MOUL regain some of its former popularity as a result of the combination of something as well known as M.C Escher's Relativity and video games.

How many times have you enjoyed a picture or drawing so much that you wanted to walk into it and become part of it. Uru CC and GoW gives you that chance with M. C. Escher's Relativity

Karkadann wrote:The only request I have is that any addition you make would be something M.C. Escher would be proud of. [...] With the right advertising it might help Uru/MOUL regain some of its former popularity as a result of the combination of something as well known as M.C Escher's Relativity and video games.
How many times have you enjoyed a picture or drawing so much that you wanted to walk into it and become part of it. Uru CC and GoW gives you that chance with M. C. Escher's Relativity

These words makes me study a bit more M.C. Escher and I'm considering the musical matter in a different view.
Music and math are stricly linked and some artist used this link to do some strange "math song", my favourite one is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS7CZIJVxFY
This song is written using the fibonacci code.

I'm thinkin to write a song using some characteristic of the Escher's works:
- Recursiveness
- Fractal geometric
- Perpetual motion on object
- and, of course, the "mobius music box"

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I'm sorry for my English and for the wrong technical term, I've studied math and music in italian :|
If we think about music like a numerical system with 7 number you can immagine a melody like a numerical sequence.
We can call the note 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 instead of A B C D E F G. After G there is A so our numerical sequence will be:
012345601234...
Relativity age has 3 distorted dimension so we can use this number to build the structure of the song.

We can start with a melody with 3 "numbers", for example:
034
this melody can be developed like a fractal geometric

0+(0,3,4) _ 3+(0,3,4) _ 4+(0,3,4)

so

034
[034][360][401]
then again
[(034)(360)(401)][(360)(623)(034)][(401)(034)(145)]

This is my idea of a fractal melody!

Now we can play with this number, for example we can do the same sequence specular compared with the number 3.
For example the specular of 2 is 4
01[b][size=150]2[/size][/b][size=200]3[/size][b][size=150]4[/size][/b]56
specular of 1 is 5
0[b][size=150]1[/size][/b]2[size=200]3[/size]4[b][size=150]5[/size][/b]6

so we have another sequence:
First sequence: 034360401360623034401034145
Second sequence: 632306265306043632265632521

Then we can reverse - specular - reverse and restart...
We got a lot of possibility

... I hope you understand

It could be a challenge
What do you think about it?

That's an interesting use of the Fibonacci sequence. Thanks for sharing that one.

BTW, ViHart recently created a more elaborate video on Möbius music called Folding Space-Time. She has a habit of making mathemusical compositions.

It could be a challenge
What do you think about it?

its a bit over my head, But it sounds like it would fit nicely, math never was my strong point, which is kinda ironic because from what I understand, Relativity is one very unusual mathematical puzzle, that I needed 3 or 4 of his drawings covered in reference lines to figurer out among other things

Karkadann wrote:...math never was my strong point, which is kinda ironic because from what I understand, Relativity is one very unusual mathematical puzzle, that I needed 3 or 4 of his drawings covered in reference lines to figurer out among other things

From what I read... Escher created a lot of geometric drawings some of his mathematician friends could describe and represent with mathematical models, but most of the time he didn't understand or it didn't interest him... Especially his perspective drawings.
So math isn't a requirement to create such great things

Well, to be honest, I do not really understand the Fibonacci song. It feels too much like "take a number sequence and try to create music with it" for me.

Anyway, there's also another point: Of course it is creative and challenging to make a song out of complex mathematical constructs, but I doubt the listeners/players (in the Relativity age) would actually hear that if they do not know. What I want to say is: Is it worth the effort to create a melody with mathematics if nobody recognizes that?
I'm not sure but I believe I wouldn't really think about it and just say: Sounds good or sounds not good...

Sirius wrote:So math isn't a requirement to create such great things

I think math is required to emulate this great thing.

Mystler wrote:I'm not sure but I believe I wouldn't really think about it and just say: Sounds good or sounds not good...

Yes, of course. The challenge is to do a music that sounds good using something linked to Escher and the age, not only to do a sequence of notes. A casual melody or a melody written only on paper sounds like someone hits a piano with his fist
That was only an idea, this weekend I'll try to do a draft.

There is a big possibility i can't do it because of my inexperience