Dear Richard,
We realize the subject of this email is a bit touchy, but we've collectively come to the conclusion that some things can no longer be left unsaid. Specifically, we have major objections against the way veralun has been performing his duties as a moderator of the official MO:UL forum over the past years. Moderation should always encourage and foster discussion; veralun's moderation style, on the other hand, frequently impedes or entirely prevents it. This is particularly the case when people disagree about something, i.e. when something is actually worth debating. We all feel that he removes posts for the wrong reasons, neglects to inform authors that their posts were deleted and for what reasons, indulges in personal attacks against forum members, moderates inconsistently and generally abuses his powers without regard for public interest. This gives us the impression that he sees himself as some kind of infallible dictator whose actions and motivations are always beyond reasonable doubt. This has been going on for several years now, but some recent incidents necessitate us to bring this to your immediate attention. We propose that he be removed from his position as moderator of the official MO:UL forum, because in our opinion the situation can not be expected to improve. We realize how difficult it is to take such a decision, but we trust that you will act wisely and in good faith.
Yours sincerely,
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The version of the letter I was sent:
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It looks like a very reasonable response to me, Whilyam. Good luck with it 


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PaladinOfKaos wrote:It looks like a very reasonable response to me, Whilyam. Good luck with it
I think you misunderstood. That was a copy of the letter sent to RAWA about veralun's moderation. It is that letter that apparently got Tweek and Denis demoted.
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Whilyam wrote:PaladinOfKaos wrote:It looks like a very reasonable response to me, Whilyam. Good luck with it
I think you misunderstood. That was a copy of the letter sent to RAWA about veralun's moderation. It is that letter that apparently got Tweek and Denis demoted.
Yeah, I get that... I'm just still choosing to attribute it to a screwup, either technically or socially, rather than malice. These things take time to sort out.

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WOAH more than half of the damn "support st. patricks day parade" thread is ... gone... 
On topic: lets wait patiently for a statement of the mods : \

On topic: lets wait patiently for a statement of the mods : \

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Where Is Sigmund Freud any how I had his cell phone number around here somewhere
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Rainforce wrote:WOAH more than half of the damn "support st. patricks day parade" thread is ... gone...
On topic: lets wait patiently for a statement of the mods : \
I can predict the mods' statement. It reads as follows:
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Currently getting some ink on my hands over at the Guild Of Ink-Makers (PyPRP2).
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Lontahv wrote:rainforce wrote:WOAH more than half of the damn "support st. patricks day parade" thread is ... gone...
On topic: lets wait patiently for a statement of the mods : \
I can predict the mods' statement. It reads as follows:
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Unwritten diplomacy rule #5 (or was that 6?) : in case of a mistake or misconduct by a team member (and I'm not saying the aforementionned moderation is one) it is usually not a good idea to publicly talk about it and publically 'disgrace' that team member.
Which leads us to rule #7.5 : Things are often better settled behind the scenes.
If the mods and/or Cyan see something wrong in the current situation and have something to say that can make said situation any better they will do it -- if not, indeed it is sometimes better not to comment. But just because there is no official comment doesn't mean that some things aren't happening..
[edit] typo.
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Ah so what happens when a bunch of people complain about someone of high authority abusing their position? They terminate the complainers... Nice to know Veralun is actually following Cyan protocol.
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Wow... I really hope this turns out to be a bad misunderstanding. I mean, who is that Veralun guy that they remove Tweek and Ddefreyne from their positions to defend him?!?
. I'm sure I will one day talk to someone (or it already happened) whom I already know, but under a different nick, and (s)he will wonder why I act so strange 
Nice to know this is the same person... those poor guys that joined years after the original Uru Live really need some kind of page to list all the different nicks people use publiclyAmonre (ddfreyne)


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