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I agree with Whilyam here. D'nial, you say that Cyan should take action when/if Veralun actually is a problem, but this is what started all this: He made some really, really wrong mod decisions, some people wrote a complaint to Cyan, and now we end up here. So obviously, Cyan is not even willing to deal with their mods' inability if there are concrete issues at hand - "a forum is not a place for a discussion", I mean, who would let someone like this moderate a forum? And whatever they discussed internally, as long as Veralun does not show any public reaction, it's moot. Not to even mention their behaviour towards Tweek and ddfreyne (I hope you find your interested again one day, Denis!).
Cyan just closed the thread, waited some weeks until everything cooled down a bit - and then did the exact opposite of what would have been right. They knew well why they waited before a public reaction. This is not a coincidence or an accident, it's a conscious decision against those fans that kept Uru alive (and I see the new MOUL forum rules as part of this).

I'm really glad by now that Uru (in form of TPOTS + Alcugs) is technically completely independent from Cyan.

I mean, who would let someone like this moderate a forum?

The GOG and the CCN.

Just posting fact.

Perhaps this is the reason Cyan does not work well with some of the people in the Uru community. Some are not acting very professional, personal attacks on community flying back and forth, and just being so spiteful towards Cyan at times. (I am NOT naming anyone specific, as that would make myself hypocritical)

I think if some were a bit more nice to everyone in the community, stopped personal attacks, and were a bit more nice towards Cyan, they'd not only want to work with more members of the community, but being on good terms with them will improve communication between them and the community without a doubt.

My two-cents at least.

Jamey wrote:I think if some were a bit more nice to everyone in the community, stopped personal attacks, and were a bit more nice towards Cyan, they'd not only want to work with more members of the community, but being on good terms with them will improve communication between them and the community without a doubt.

My two-cents at least.

No it won't.

Tweek wrote:

Jamey wrote:I think if some were a bit more nice to everyone in the community, stopped personal attacks, and were a bit more nice towards Cyan, they'd not only want to work with more members of the community, but being on good terms with them will improve communication between them and the community without a doubt.

My two-cents at least.

No it won't.

Why wouldn't it? Elaborate on that please.

Plus, even if it did not work, what do we have to lose by simply being nice and respectful towards one another (and to Cyan), stopping the personal attacks and insults, and quit being so generally spiteful towards one another and Cyan?

What's so wrong with doing these things, even if they did nothing? Why would this be such a hard thing to do? Being spiteful and bitter towards one another is too stressful, and I'm pretty sure the community members hating each other won't be very productive.

Just a thought.

"Hope springs eternal" versus "familiarity breeds contempt." It would make an interestiung study.

Oh, wait:
http://www.spring.org.uk/2008/05/why-fa ... -breed.php



Part of professionalism is knowing everyone has their own issues, including oneself, and respecting others as a team, working together in a positive way to get things accomplished. Differences are a distraction that need to be addressed so the team can move on, but it doesn't always mean someone is wrong. And that's not to say one can't be wrong either.

Jamey wrote:

Tweek wrote:

Jamey wrote:I think if some were a bit more nice to everyone in the community, stopped personal attacks, and were a bit more nice towards Cyan, they'd not only want to work with more members of the community, but being on good terms with them will improve communication between them and the community without a doubt.

My two-cents at least.

No it won't.

Why wouldn't it? Elaborate on that please.

Because it hasn't. Do you honestly think that whenever we have something to say to Cyan we run at them screaming throwing kittens and babies and spitting blood, cursing as we do?

No we have contacted them in a civil a manner, and as usual it has yielded nothing. Some of us have been making suggestions for years on how to improve things, and they fall on deaf ears.

So I wash my hands of it, why bother trying to help Cyan when they ignore it, why bother trying to help the community when the majority come across a zealot sycophants, who'd rather knee jerk in reaction and offer up community cleansing as a solution instead of getting heads out of butts, stepping of egos and actually helping in a constructive way.

And you actually want me to be nice to these people? A witch gets burnt at the stake only so many times before they get bored and find something else to do.

Tweek wrote:Because it hasn't. Do you honestly think that whenever we have something to say to Cyan we run at them screaming throwing kittens and babies and spitting blood, cursing as we do?

No we have contacted them in a civil a manner, and as usual it has yielded nothing. Some of us have been making suggestions for years on how to improve things, and they fall on deaf ears.

So I wash my hands of it, why bother trying to help Cyan when they ignore it, why bother trying to help the community when the majority come across a zealot sycophants, who'd rather knee jerk in reaction and offer up community cleansing as a solution instead of getting heads out of butts, stepping of egos and actually helping in a constructive way.

And you actually want me to be nice to these people? A witch gets burnt at the stake only so many times before they get bored and find something else to do.

Well, I do agree with you in the sense that some in the community do come across as extreme. (Some extreme who do anything to protect Cyan, some who really hate Cyan's guts. Both of these extremes are guilty in this respect)

But when you say;

...when the majority come across a zealot sycophants, who'd rather knee jerk in reaction and offer up community cleansing as a solution...

I don't think this is entirely true. For one thing, I have not heard any more than one person use the term "community cleansing" (and no, I'm not going to name people for the reason I stated earlier), and one person is not equivalent to the majority of the community. One person does not speak for everyone in the community, which is why I do not think it's fair that one extreme opinion causes the majority of the community to be subject to a straw-man.

Not everyone in the community is extreme on either side. Some prefer a balance. It's unfair to judge them and put them into a category with others who are extreme.

As for being nice to everyone, yes, I still stand by that. It's never a crime to be nice or respectful to others, regardless if you agree with people or not. You get what you give. Plus, I'd much rather be portrayed as someone who is too "nice and respectful", rather than someone who comes off as a jerk who insults others and is disrespectful.

If I do disagree with someone, I try to offer constructive criticism. I like to offer other solutions whenever possible. Now, does this mean you can never say, "Oh, I don't agree with this!"? Not at all. There is a difference between insulting someone and giving constructive criticism.

For example, if someone were to say; "I want to give the new KI interface a button that links you to ages instantly without using books."

Instead of saying something like: "That's so stupid. It completely violates the laws of linking books. Come up with a better idea, and maybe we'll consider that".

Something like this would come across better in my opinion; "As creative as the idea is, I don't think I can fully support it. It doesn't make sense to have linking button on a KI since it makes linking books pointless. Perhaps as an alternative, we could have a button that shows the progress of your age, like if it is day or night in Gira, and things like that. It would act as a window rather than a door."

This is my view on all of this at least...

Tweek wrote:...why bother trying to help the community when the majority come across a zealot sycophants, who'd rather knee jerk in reaction and offer up community cleansing as a solution...

I've seen this more than once and I wouldn't have expected it from you. I guess I would expect it from someone who is angry, so I guess you are angry. That's too bad (not being sarcastic). But to apply an extreme position generally to a community based upon the acts of one individual is extreme in itself. That's partly where Godwin's Law comes from.

Jmey wrote:(Some extreme who do anything to protect Cyan, some who really hate Cyan's guts. Both of these extremes are guilty in this respect)

And then we have the people who assume the other side hates Cyan's guts because god forbid they have a disagreement or two regarding what choices they're making.

Tell me, have you ever disagreed with anything Cyan has done?

JWPlatt wrote:But to apply an extreme position generally to a community is extreme in itself. That's partly where Godwin's Law comes from.

He didn't name the entire community. Just the asshat majority.