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Re: ULM alternative?
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:10 pm
by ddb174
What's the title of this thread again? ;)
The plan is to use Drizzle, since you need it for converting the Ages anyway. It's almost ready for Beta testing now, and it'll be the UAM tab in Drizzle11.jar. So, Drizzle11 will allow you to download Ages (it may be a little buggy at first, of course) as well as convert the Crowthistle Ages just like the Moul and Myst5 Ages.
Re: ULM alternative?
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:33 pm
by Jeffrey
Is there any plan to get either Eder Delin or Eder Tsogal to be solvable alone, for example slowing down the timer etc. As for the Myst V ages I can totally understand the tablet not working, but is there a way to get the puzzles working so instead of the table, being able to touch the tablet pedestals to make the links appear on the main pedestal. Or for example being able to walk from the top of the shaft to the bottom since the elevator does not work either; being able to pick up the scattered Yeesha journal pages along the shaft; or better yet making the Uru/MOUL stuff available in the Myst V shaft (ie music box relto page, KI light machine) so you only need to link to 1 shaft/descent.
I also wanted to comment on how awesome it was to see the moving linking panel for Direbo in Relto, and the raining linking panel for the Myst V Myst Island; very impressive. Also the additions to Ae'gura are really cool, linking books etc.
Some other questions i have
1 Where do you get the Crowthistle Ages?
2 Are all the Pods supposed to show up in the Pod linking book in Relto on different pages. It seems like Negilahn is the only link that shows in Relto?
Re: ULM alternative?
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:56 pm
by ddb174
It's quite possible to do, but it involves replacing a part that was built into the engine in Moul with a Python version. I haven't personally been interested enough to do it yet, but give it time, and we'll probably get there! The Crowthistle Ages came on a CD that was bundled with the book "The Well of Tears" by Celia Dart-Thornton. I got a copy off of eBay; I imagine they pop up from time-to-time, if not all the time.
Re: ULM alternative?
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:50 pm
by Auzho
None of the links in Beven are working. I get a
"Exception type: Access violation
Call stack (14 levels):
....."
error if I try to link. All other ages seem OK. Any idea what if anything I can do about this?
I haven't looked at this stuff since the very first version of Drizzle. All I can say now is WOW this is very very impressive.

Re: ULM alternative?
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:54 am
by GPNMilano
Auzho wrote:None of the links in Beven are working. I get a
"Exception type: Access violation
Call stack (14 levels):
....."
error if I try to link. All other ages seem OK. Any idea what if anything I can do about this?
I haven't looked at this stuff since the very first version of Drizzle. All I can say now is WOW this is very very impressive.
Which of the books are giving you this error? The Delin and Tsogal books, or them, the City Link book, and the GZ book? Have you tried each one of them?
Re: ULM alternative?
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:40 am
by Auzho
I get the same error with all four books and the Bahro stone in Bevan. It's only in Bevan though, as far as I can tell all other links elsewhere work fine.
Re: ULM alternative?
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:59 am
by diafero
Auzho, you seem to have exactly the same problem as I do and as a friend also has. It is very rare, and we don't yet have any real clue what it is caused by

, just that it is related to the ticker. It's not important where you link to, the problems is created by linking out of the hood - you can type /hood in there, it will also often crash you.
Are all the Pods supposed to show up in the Pod linking book in Relto on different pages. It seems like Negilahn is the only link that shows in Relto?
Yes, they should all appear after you collected them, that is after you linked there once from the city. If that does not work for you - did you perhaps use an earlier version of Drizzle and linked there with the shortcuts? In that case it could be that the leftovers from these ages which are still in your vault prevent the age from now being properly registered. There is no way around that besides using a backup of your sav folder before you first used Drizzle, or to start a completely new avatar.
Will you be making a version that ULM works with?
As Dustin already pointed out, Drizzle will get support for downloading fan-ages. However, since I don't want to force anyone to stop using a tool he is used to, the next version will also support using the ULM - there could be problems though as I do no longer have the ULM installed. With the next evrsion, you can remove the ULMServerLinkBook.inf file from your Uru directory and the Offline KI will then fall back to using the ULMLinkBook which is managed by the ULM. However, if you add an age which is not supported, you will have to also manually add a link to AvailableLinks.inf. In addition, the Offline KI must be installed
after the ULM as otherwise, very strange things might happen.
Re: ULM alternative?
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:03 am
by Erik
I understand that by installing the Offline KI you can no longer use the ULM to add books to your Relto shelf because the shelf is managed by the Offline KI, however, can you still use the ULM to download the Ages?
Re: ULM alternative?
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:08 am
by diafero
Yes, you can.
Re: ULM alternative?
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:00 pm
by Auzho
diafero wrote:Auzho, you seem to have exactly the same problem as I do and as a friend also has. It is very rare, and we don't yet have any real clue what it is caused by

, just that it is related to the ticker. It's not important where you link to, the problems is created by linking out of the hood - you can type /hood in there, it will also often crash you.
Maybe I'll have to try a complete clean install.

Before I do though, what is the ticker?