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Re: Dedicated new & improved (?) KI thread.

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:12 pm
by Trylon
I'm not in favour of chat filters, because:
a) they are annoying and
b) they only provide a false sense of safety.

Long version:
A) it's nearly impossible to flag all words with a double meaning - if you want to block all alternative spellings for all words that can have a double meaning in every country uru plays in you have to censor a lot of words.
B) slang is a fairly local phenomenon - e.g. English slang in the Netherlands can be quite different from US slang - If you don't know something is slang for something obscure, it's harder to work around to find an alternative.

C) If you don't know that a word you're using is slang (which according to B is highly possible) it's especially annoying if it gets blocked (which can happen with a lot of words Re: A)
D) A lot of slang words have a normal use in a certain context - you seriously inhibit normal conversation. Especially if that word is the only usable one, or you just don't know an alternative.
E) Since (A) you can't block every word with a double meaning, and in slang there are like a million synonyms for the censor-prone-concept, those who want to get around it can easily get around.

Oh, and in regards to the kids:
Let's just put up an agreement on the shard registration stating that:
1) You agree to keep all conversations on the shard morally safe. (Or a better legal term for that)
2) If you're under 13 (or maybe for everyone) and such a conversation is going on anyway, it's youre responsibility to walk away and notify the admin.

That way I think you should be pretty safe from legal repercussions.
(And let's keep in mind that for legal problems you also need someone who sues you. Which is pretty unlikely if you have civilized rules, and always attempt to sort problems out in a civilized way.

Re: Dedicated new & improved (?) KI thread.

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:47 pm
by Ai'ron
Trylon wrote:Oh, and in regards to the kids:
Let's just put up an agreement on the shard registration stating that:
1) You agree to keep all conversations on the shard morally safe. (Or a better legal term for that)
2) If you're under 13 (or maybe for everyone) and such a conversation is going on anyway, it's youre responsibility to walk away and notify the admin.

That way I think you should be pretty safe from legal repercussions.
(And let's keep in mind that for legal problems you also need someone who sues you. Which is pretty unlikely if you have civilized rules, and always attempt to sort problems out in a civilized way.


I don't know about all y'all, but if I'm with a group of folks that I know, I want to be able to talk about whatever the heck I want. There's a reason that on every single game with an online multiplayer aspect, the rating says "your online experience may vary". You just can't guarantee anything.

"Morally safe" is such a horribly ambiguous term. Even if it's nothing explicit, some people could see me talking about going out to dinner with my boyfriend (yes, I'm male) as "morally unsafe". Not trying to start about on that whole issue here, just saying that I don't think this is likely to do anything but open a gigantic can of worms that we really don't want to deal with.

Re: Dedicated new & improved (?) KI thread.

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:53 pm
by Chacal
Ai'ron wrote:"Morally safe" is such a horribly ambiguous term.


That and "Family values" :P

Re: Dedicated new & improved (?) KI thread.

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:27 pm
by Tyion
Bottom line guys, lets just keep Uru clean, weather through filter or agreement. One of the nice things about Uru was the fact that you never really did see any swaring or M rated talk. I want to see this continued. :)

Re: Dedicated new & improved (?) KI thread.

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 7:10 pm
by Nadnerb
Just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Re: Dedicated new & improved (?) KI thread.

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 7:14 pm
by Grogyan
I prefer not to have a filter

Just like in Second Life, or in Real Life you shouldn't be limited to what can or cannot be said, and words even in the english dictionary have double meanings

RE the WASD keys, these need to be remapped to the cursor keys ASAP

Re: Dedicated new & improved (?) KI thread.

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:28 am
by teedyo
Grogyan wrote:RE the WASD keys, these need to be remapped to the cursor keys ASAP


That's the default in both URU:CC and MOUL. I don't expect the released source to be any different.

Re: Dedicated new & improved (?) KI thread.

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:59 am
by Grogyan
The default is a pain in the backside, I don't use WASD, ever!

Its just general key mapping, easy to change in code

Re: Dedicated new & improved (?) KI thread.

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:11 am
by D'Lanor
I have no idea what you mean about the WASD keys but key mapping is already user adjustable in-game.

Re: Dedicated new & improved (?) KI thread.

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:38 am
by Jojon
Err, movement in Uru has never been mapped to WASD by default, or has it?

It may be worth noting the relative key positions between "QWERTY" and french keyboard mapping "AZERTY". Someone using rawkeys for input? :7
EDIT: Maybe some people are even running some sort of key remapping tool?