So, Age Creation is *gasp* Hacking? </sarcasm>

[BAD]

All aspects of Uru had good and bad qualities. There is no need to point out one's more than another's. That is the heart of the argument about UU is that people treat it so differently than other Uru releases.

Facts are that if UU didn't exist MOUL would have never existed. I don't hear people saying it was perfect, yet some have to always come in and point out it's flaws.

Perhaps I could point out all the flaws of Prologue, or Uru ABM? Would that validate anything. I don't think so.

[Paradox]

MOUL was worse than UU. Prologue flaws seem mainly to be the result of Network issues, lag issues, and UbiSoft interference. The storyline and content in Prologue seemed much more captivating than in MOUL. (UU doesn't count in this aspect because it was "theoretically" a static environment with no storyline or content).

Of course, I didn't experience Prologue, so I can't make any judgements from experience.

[Aloys]

UU killed a lot of the storyline and IC immersion, and that carried over to MOUL.

That's an interesting point considering UU was fully managed by the community. What should we learn from that?
Personally I didn't go into UU until D'mala, because I wasn't interested in it. I was interested in the storyline and all the new content that Cyan was to bought to Live, none of this was in UU. But from what I can remember here's what I think:
While it had no official story UU was (should have been?) about the explorers that remained in the Cavern and the Ages after the DRC closed the place, and how they went about their daily lives down here. Yet none of that (or not much) happened as far as I know. Of course the whole AdminKi story was kind of sad from an IC perspective, but even before that it looked liked not much happened in terms of story or 'ICness'.

[Justintime9]

Don't anyone diss UU! UU was my first online uru experience, and I'll never forget those days, they'll always have a place in my heart. True, the admin KIs and other such things did somewhat ruin ICness, but who can blame us? We were given a chance to keep our community, with no guarantee of URUlive ever coming back. Without Admin KIs, and User KIs, we wouldn't have been able to stand it.

One thing that really makes me mad, is when people make fun of people who want to be careful to not violate any legal rights of cyan. Without cyan, we wouldn't be here! If being concerned about whether cyan approves of something is a crime, then I'll continue committing that crime, no matter what anyone says. They deserve our respect, after all they've done for all of us.

[Tomala]

True, the admin KIs and other such things did somewhat ruin ICness, but who can blame us? We were given a chance to keep our community, with no guarantee of URUlive ever coming back. Without Admin KIs, and User KIs, we wouldn't have been able to stand it.

Wow, so you are supporting hacking by saying that the admin KI and user KI were good? Wow...

Wait... You know that was all thanks to hacking, right?

[Sophia]

Don't anyone diss UU! UU was my first online uru experience, and I'll never forget those days, they'll always have a place in my heart. True, the admin KIs and other such things did somewhat ruin ICness, but who can blame us? We were given a chance to keep our community, with no guarantee of URUlive ever coming back. Without Admin KIs, and User KIs, we wouldn't have been able to stand it.

One thing that really makes me mad, is when people make fun of people who want to be careful to not violate any legal rights of cyan. Without cyan, we wouldn't be here! If being concerned about whether cyan approves of something is a crime, then I'll continue committing that crime, no matter what anyone says. They deserve our respect, after all they've done for all of us.

Justin, I agree with every single word you said

[kaelisebonrai]

Without US, Cyan wouldn't be here, either. Its a two way street, I'm afraid.

Making an Age at all, is violating the legal rights of Cyan, as well, I'm afraid... Using PyPRP, developing PyPRP is violating Cyan's legal rights...
What the GoW does in general, violates Cyan's legal rights by what it does.

[Sophia]

In my opinion, the real issue is not legal rights, but whether our actions hurt Cyan/Uru or not. If it doesn't, anything you do is fine by me. If it does, I'll personally take yur head off if I can catch ya

Really, I don't see the fuss over age creation though. Again I'll ask: convince me where it would hurt Cyan, the game or the community. Unless and until I see something worthwhile in this thread, I'm done with it Enough blah blah, there are ages to be created!

[kaelisebonrai]

There's nothing that'll hurt Cyan, but, here's the thing, same goes for editing existing ages Editing /existing/ things.

That doesn't change that it violates Cyan's legal rights.

[BAD]

This discussion is going in circles.

I think it would be best if we all just move on. Most everyone here understands that what we are doing is in a gray area legally.

We will not tolerate heated arguments on this board as it distracts from the purpose of the forum. That purpose is to discuss and create tools and content for Uru.

So unless this discussion moves to forward that purpose I think we can drop this issue for now.