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by **di gama** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:22 am

I can't seem to be able to make any textures in my shell. No matter what I put, Uru outputs an invisible collidable object. What do I do, if anything, with Pahts_TexCache? What arrangement of settings in Blender results in a visible object? I can see the walls and door, but not the floor (I tossed the old one out to make my own version). I can see under the city this way, although the floor still keeps me from falling.

by **Marcello** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:31 am

Hi,

Sounds like stuff I've battled the past two weeks

1. Make sure you export your age with textures stored per page (prp file)
2. Make sure your objects have normals facing the right way
3. Make sure an object does not have any negative scaling if they do apply transformations with CTRL-A
4. Make sure your object has a string property page_num set to your shell number (in my case 129)

These have been the things I had to check (with thnx to some great suggestions by others) and worked for me.

by **di gama** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:27 pm

Marcello wrote:Hi,

Sounds like stuff I've battled the past two weeks

1. Make sure you export your age with textures stored per page (prp file)
2. Make sure your objects have normals facing the right way
3. Make sure an object does not have any negative scaling if they do apply transformations with CTRL-A
4. Make sure your object has a string property page_num set to your shell number (in my case 129)

These have been the things I had to check (with thnx to some great suggestions by others) and worked for me.

1. I have been using the "All as full age, per-page textures (.age)" option, as dictated by ShellTest.
2. I double-checked the normals, but they are the right direction. In addition, I have a face which can be viewed from both sides, no dice.
3. Scale is 1, rotation is 60 Z.
4. I just manipulated the floor (427StrCOL is the relevant object), so it still has the page_num attr set.

Here is the output:

Code: Select all: Exporting C:\Users\Mario\GoW\Ahra Pahts\Pahts.age ... Args are et_age ['et', 'age'] Exporting age Pahts [AlcScript Parser] {'DayLength': 24.0, 'LingerTime': 180, 'MaxCapacity': 150, 'StartDateTime': 0, 'SequencePrefix': 189} {'AgeSDLHook': False} [] {'DayLength': 24.0, 'LingerTime': 180, 'MaxCapacity': 150, 'StartDateTime': 0, 'SequencePrefix': 189} ######################################### ## ## => Exporting page Textures -1 <= ## ######################################### ######################################### ## ## => Exporting page BuiltIn -2 <= ## ######################################### ######################################### ## ## => Exporting page Shell427 427 <= ## ######################################### [QuickScript - Footstep] Quickscripted 427FootStpTop1 To: {'region': {'type': 'footstep', 'surface': 'stone'}, 'logic': {'modifiers':[{'flags': ['multitrigger'], 'activators': [{'type': 'objectinvolume'}], 'tag':'Enter_Ft', 'conditions': [{'direction': 'enter', 'type': 'volumesensor', 'satisfied': True}], 'actions': [{'type': 'responder', 'ref': '$FootSnd'}]}, {'flags': ['multitrigger'], 'activators': [{'type': 'objectinvolume'}], 'tag': 'Exit_Ft', 'conditions': [{'direction': 'exit', 'type': 'volumesensor', 'satisfied': True}], 'actions': [{'type': 'responder', 'ref': '$FootSnd'}]}], 'actions': [{'tag':'FootSnd', 'type': 'responder', 'responder': {'states': [{'waittocmd': 0, 'cmds': [{'type': 'armatureeffectmsg', 'waiton': -1, 'params': {'surface': 'stone', 'append': False}}], 'nextstate': 0}], 'flags': ['detecttrigger'], 'curstate': 0}}]}} [QuickScript - Footstep] Quickscripted 427FootStpFlr3 To: {'region': {'type': 'footstep', 'surface': 'grass'}, 'logic': {'modifiers':[{'flags': ['multitrigger'], 'activators': [{'type': 'objectinvolume'}], 'tag':'Enter_Ft', 'conditions': [{'direction': 'enter', 'type': 'volumesensor', 'satisfied': True}], 'actions': [{'type': 'responder', 'ref': '$FootSnd'}]}, {'flags': ['multitrigger'], 'activators': [{'type': 'objectinvolume'}], 'tag': 'Exit_Ft', 'conditions': [{'direction': 'exit', 'type': 'volumesensor', 'satisfied': True}], 'actions': [{'type': 'responder', 'ref': '$FootSnd'}]}], 'actions': [{'tag':'FootSnd', 'type': 'responder', 'responder': {'states': [{'waittocmd': 0, 'cmds': [{'type': 'armatureeffectmsg', 'waiton': -1, 'params': {'surface': 'grass', 'append': False}}], 'nextstate': 0}], 'flags': ['detecttrigger'], 'curstate': 0}}]}} [QuickScript - Footstep] Quickscripted 427FootStpFlr2 To: {'region': {'type': 'footstep', 'surface': 'grass'}, 'logic': {'modifiers':[{'flags': ['multitrigger'], 'activators': [{'type': 'objectinvolume'}], 'tag':'Enter_Ft', 'conditions': [{'direction': 'enter', 'type': 'volumesensor', 'satisfied': True}], 'actions': [{'type': 'responder', 'ref': '$FootSnd'}]}, {'flags': ['multitrigger'], 'activators': [{'type': 'objectinvolume'}], 'tag': 'Exit_Ft', 'conditions': [{'direction': 'exit', 'type': 'volumesensor', 'satisfied': True}], 'actions': [{'type': 'responder', 'ref': '$FootSnd'}]}], 'actions': [{'tag':'FootSnd', 'type': 'responder', 'responder': {'states': [{'waittocmd': 0, 'cmds': [{'type': 'armatureeffectmsg', 'waiton': -1, 'params': {'surface': 'grass', 'append': False}}], 'nextstate': 0}], 'flags': ['detecttrigger'], 'curstate': 0}}]}} [QuickScript - Footstep] Quickscripted 427FootStpFlr To: {'region': {'type': 'footstep', 'surface': 'grass'}, 'logic': {'modifiers':[{'flags': ['multitrigger'], 'activators': [{'type': 'objectinvolume'}], 'tag':'Enter_Ft', 'conditions': [{'direction': 'enter', 'type': 'volumesensor', 'satisfied': True}], 'actions': [{'type': 'responder', 'ref': '$FootSnd'}]}, {'flags': ['multitrigger'], 'activators': [{'type': 'objectinvolume'}], 'tag': 'Exit_Ft', 'conditions': [{'direction': 'exit', 'type': 'volumesensor', 'satisfied': True}], 'actions': [{'type': 'responder', 'ref': '$FootSnd'}]}], 'actions': [{'tag':'FootSnd', 'type': 'responder', 'responder': {'states': [{'waittocmd': 0, 'cmds': [{'type': 'armatureeffectmsg', 'waiton': -1, 'params': {'surface': 'grass', 'append': False}}], 'nextstate': 0}], 'flags': ['detecttrigger'], 'curstate': 0}}]}} [Lamp 427LitShSd2] [Light Base] Diffuse Lighting Enabled Specular Lighting Enabled >>> !kLPCastShadows <<< >>> !kLPShadowOnly <<< [OmniLight] Quadratic Attenuation Sphere cutoff mode at 5000.000000 [Coordinate Interface 427LitShSd2] [Lamp 427LitShSd1] [Light Base] Diffuse Lighting Enabled Specular Lighting Enabled >>> !kLPCastShadows <<< >>> !kLPShadowOnly <<< [OmniLight] Quadratic Attenuation Sphere cutoff mode at 5000.000000 [Coordinate Interface 427LitShSd1] [Lamp 427LitShFrnt2] [Light Base] Diffuse Lighting Enabled Specular Lighting Enabled >>> !kLPCastShadows <<< >>> !kLPShadowOnly <<< [OmniLight] Quadratic Attenuation Sphere cutoff mode at 5000.000000 [Coordinate Interface 427LitShFrnt2] [Lamp 427LitShFrnt1] [Light Base] Diffuse Lighting Enabled Specular Lighting Enabled >>> !kLPCastShadows <<< >>> !kLPShadowOnly <<< [OmniLight] Quadratic Attenuation Sphere cutoff mode at 5000.000000 [Coordinate Interface 427LitShFrnt1] [Region Object 427FootStpStr.001] Region type: footstep [LogicHelper] No actions in list None Exporting modifiers No modifiers None [Physical] HullBounds export Exporting 8 (8) vertices Setting Region-Specific settings.... Object is Dynamic [Coordinate Interface 427FootStpStr.001] [Visual Object 427Wal] [LogicHelper] No actions in list None Exporting modifiers No modifiers None [Draw Interface 427Wal] [Material MatShlWal] [Layer MatShlWal-ShWal.tga] -> Using UV map '' -> Err, Using first UV map [MipMap ShWal.tga] MipMapInfo: --------------- Imagename:ShWal.tga Resize Image: True Make MipMaps: True Calculate Alpha:False MipMap Gauss:False Mipmap AlphaMult:1.0 CompressionType: DXT --------------- Reading mipmap ShWal.tga.tex from cache [DrawableSpans 00000000_0] Processing Faces per Material - Totalling 1 materials Material MatShlWal Object is Shadeless, not appending any lamps [Physical] ProxyBounds export Exporting 159 (159) vertices Exporting 95 (95) faces No Mass No Friction, disabling frictive setting Elasticity: 0.0 Pinning object Camera blocking enabled Object is Static [Visual Object 427Top] [LogicHelper] No actions in list None Exporting modifiers No modifiers None [Draw Interface 427Top] [Material MatShlTop] [Layer MatShlTop-ShTop.tga] -> Using UV map '' -> Err, Using first UV map [MipMap ShTop.tga] MipMapInfo: --------------- Imagename:ShTop.tga Resize Image: True Make MipMaps: True Calculate Alpha:False MipMap Gauss:False Mipmap AlphaMult:1.0 CompressionType: DXT --------------- Reading mipmap ShTop.tga.tex from cache [DrawableSpans 00000000_0] Processing Faces per Material - Totalling 1 materials Material MatShlTop Object is Shadeless, not appending any lamps [Physical] ProxyBounds export Exporting 56 (56) vertices Exporting 54 (54) faces No Mass No Friction, disabling frictive setting Elasticity: 0.0 Pinning object Camera blocking enabled Object is Static [Visual Object 427Str] [LogicHelper] No actions in list None Exporting modifiers No modifiers None [Draw Interface 427Str] [Material MatShlStr] [Layer MatShlStr-ShStr.tga] -> Using UV map '' -> Err, Using first UV map [MipMap ShStr.tga] MipMapInfo: --------------- Imagename:ShStr.tga Resize Image: True Make MipMaps: True Calculate Alpha:False MipMap Gauss:False Mipmap AlphaMult:1.0 CompressionType: DXT --------------- Reading mipmap ShStr.tga.tex from cache [DrawableSpans 00000000_0] Processing Faces per Material - Totalling 1 materials Material MatShlStr Object is Shadeless, not appending any lamps [Physical] ProxyBounds export Exporting 78 (78) vertices Exporting 40 (40) faces No Mass No Friction, disabling frictive setting Elasticity: 0.0 Pinning object Camera blocking enabled Object is Static [Visual Object 427ShCln1] [LogicHelper] No actions in list None Exporting modifiers No modifiers None [Draw Interface 427ShCln1] [DrawableSpans 00000000_0] Processing Faces per Material - Totalling 1 materials Material MatShlWal Object is Shadeless, not appending any lamps [Physical] ProxyBounds export Exporting 96 (96) vertices Exporting 40 (40) faces No Mass No Friction, disabling frictive setting Elasticity: 0.0 Pinning object Camera blocking enabled Object is Static [Visual Object 427Number] [LogicHelper] No actions in list None Exporting modifiers No modifiers None [Draw Interface 427Number] [Material MatShNum] [Layer MatShNum-ShNumbers.tga] -> Using UV map '' -> Err, Using first UV map [MipMap ShNumbers.tga] MipMapInfo: --------------- Imagename:ShNumbers.tga Resize Image: True Make MipMaps: True Calculate Alpha:False MipMap Gauss:False Mipmap AlphaMult:1.0 CompressionType: DXT --------------- Reading mipmap ShNumbers.tga.tex from cache [DrawableSpans 00000000_0] Processing Faces per Material - Totalling 1 materials Material MatShNum Object is Shadeless, not appending any lamps [Visual Object 427LitShSide] [LogicHelper] No actions in list None Exporting modifiers No modifiers None [Draw Interface 427LitShSide] [Material MatShLight] [Layer MatShLight-LightSh1.tga] -> Using UV map '' -> Err, Using first UV map [MipMap LightSh1.tga] MipMapInfo: --------------- Imagename:LightSh1.tga Resize Image: True Make MipMaps: True Calculate Alpha:False MipMap Gauss:False Mipmap AlphaMult:1.0 CompressionType: DXT --------------- Reading mipmap LightSh1.tga.tex from cache [DrawableSpans 00000000_0] Processing Faces per Material - Totalling 1 materials Material MatShLight Object is Shadeless, not appending any lamps [Visual Object 427LitShFrnt2.001] [LogicHelper] No actions in list None Exporting modifiers No modifiers None [Draw Interface 427LitShFrnt2.001] [DrawableSpans 00000000_0] Processing Faces per Material - Totalling 1 materials Material MatShLight Object is Shadeless, not appending any lamps [Region Object 427FootStpTop1] Region type: footstep [LogicHelper] Exporting actions [ResponderModifier 427FootStpTop1_FootSnd] Exporting modifiers Exporting modifiers [LogicModifier 427FootStpTop1_Enter_Ft] Initial self.fFlags is: BitVector: [] Got flag: multitrigger - 6 self.fFlags is now: BitVector: [ 40] Conditions: Found Condition 427FootStpTop1_Enter_Ft of type: volumesensor Activators: Found Activator 427FootStpTop1_Enter_Ft of type: objectinvolume Actions: [{'type': 'responder', 'ref': '$FootSnd'}] Action is of type responder Locating responder mod reference '$FootSnd' Appending Receiver: 0000BECC,0000,007C,427FootStpTop1_FootSnd [LogicModifier 427FootStpTop1_Exit_Ft] Initial self.fFlags is: BitVector: [] Got flag: multitrigger - 6 self.fFlags is now: BitVector: [ 40] Conditions: Found Condition 427FootStpTop1_Exit_Ft of type: volumesensor Activators: Found Activator 427FootStpTop1_Exit_Ft of type: objectinvolume Actions: [{'type': 'responder', 'ref': '$FootSnd'}] Action is of type responder Locating responder mod reference '$FootSnd' Appending Receiver: 0000BECC,0000,007C,427FootStpTop1_FootSnd [Physical] ProxyBounds export Exporting 12 (12) vertices Exporting 10 (10) faces Setting Region-Specific settings.... Object is Dynamic [Coordinate Interface 427FootStpTop1] [Region Object 427FootStpFlr3] Region type: footstep [LogicHelper] Exporting actions [ResponderModifier 427FootStpFlr3_FootSnd] Exporting modifiers Exporting modifiers [LogicModifier 427FootStpFlr3_Enter_Ft] Initial self.fFlags is: BitVector: [] Got flag: multitrigger - 6 self.fFlags is now: BitVector: [ 40] Conditions: Found Condition 427FootStpFlr3_Enter_Ft of type: volumesensor Activators: Found Activator 427FootStpFlr3_Enter_Ft of type: objectinvolume Actions: [{'type': 'responder', 'ref': '$FootSnd'}] Action is of type responder Locating responder mod reference '$FootSnd' Appending Receiver: 0000BECC,0000,007C,427FootStpFlr3_FootSnd [LogicModifier 427FootStpFlr3_Exit_Ft] Initial self.fFlags is: BitVector: [] Got flag: multitrigger - 6 self.fFlags is now: BitVector: [ 40] Conditions: Found Condition 427FootStpFlr3_Exit_Ft of type: volumesensor Activators: Found Activator 427FootStpFlr3_Exit_Ft of type: objectinvolume Actions: [{'type': 'responder', 'ref': '$FootSnd'}] Action is of type responder Locating responder mod reference '$FootSnd' Appending Receiver: 0000BECC,0000,007C,427FootStpFlr3_FootSnd [Physical] ProxyBounds export Exporting 8 (8) vertices Exporting 6 (6) faces Setting Region-Specific settings.... Object is Dynamic [Coordinate Interface 427FootStpFlr3] [Region Object 427FootStpFlr2] Region type: footstep [LogicHelper] Exporting actions [ResponderModifier 427FootStpFlr2_FootSnd] Exporting modifiers Exporting modifiers [LogicModifier 427FootStpFlr2_Enter_Ft] Initial self.fFlags is: BitVector: [] Got flag: multitrigger - 6 self.fFlags is now: BitVector: [ 40] Conditions: Found Condition 427FootStpFlr2_Enter_Ft of type: volumesensor Activators: Found Activator 427FootStpFlr2_Enter_Ft of type: objectinvolume Actions: [{'type': 'responder', 'ref': '$FootSnd'}] Action is of type responder Locating responder mod reference '$FootSnd' Appending Receiver: 0000BECC,0000,007C,427FootStpFlr2_FootSnd [LogicModifier 427FootStpFlr2_Exit_Ft] Initial self.fFlags is: BitVector: [] Got flag: multitrigger - 6 self.fFlags is now: BitVector: [ 40] Conditions: Found Condition 427FootStpFlr2_Exit_Ft of type: volumesensor Activators: Found Activator 427FootStpFlr2_Exit_Ft of type: objectinvolume Actions: [{'type': 'responder', 'ref': '$FootSnd'}] Action is of type responder Locating responder mod reference '$FootSnd' Appending Receiver: 0000BECC,0000,007C,427FootStpFlr2_FootSnd [Physical] ProxyBounds export Exporting 8 (8) vertices Exporting 6 (6) faces Setting Region-Specific settings.... Object is Dynamic [Coordinate Interface 427FootStpFlr2] [Region Object 427FootStpFlr] Region type: footstep [LogicHelper] Exporting actions [ResponderModifier 427FootStpFlr_FootSnd] Exporting modifiers Exporting modifiers [LogicModifier 427FootStpFlr_Enter_Ft] Initial self.fFlags is: BitVector: [] Got flag: multitrigger - 6 self.fFlags is now: BitVector: [ 40] Conditions: Found Condition 427FootStpFlr_Enter_Ft of type: volumesensor Activators: Found Activator 427FootStpFlr_Enter_Ft of type: objectinvolume Actions: [{'type': 'responder', 'ref': '$FootSnd'}] Action is of type responder Locating responder mod reference '$FootSnd' Appending Receiver: 0000BECC,0000,007C,427FootStpFlr_FootSnd [LogicModifier 427FootStpFlr_Exit_Ft] Initial self.fFlags is: BitVector: [] Got flag: multitrigger - 6 self.fFlags is now: BitVector: [ 40] Conditions: Found Condition 427FootStpFlr_Exit_Ft of type: volumesensor Activators: Found Activator 427FootStpFlr_Exit_Ft of type: objectinvolume Actions: [{'type': 'responder', 'ref': '$FootSnd'}] Action is of type responder Locating responder mod reference '$FootSnd' Appending Receiver: 0000BECC,0000,007C,427FootStpFlr_FootSnd [Physical] ProxyBounds export Exporting 12 (12) vertices Exporting 10 (10) faces Setting Region-Specific settings.... Object is Dynamic [Coordinate Interface 427FootStpFlr] [Visual Object 427Crn] [LogicHelper] No actions in list None Exporting modifiers No modifiers None [Draw Interface 427Crn] [Material MatShlCrn] [Layer MatShlCrn-ShCrn.tga] -> Using UV map '' -> Err, Using first UV map [MipMap ShCrn.tga] MipMapInfo: --------------- Imagename:ShCrn.tga Resize Image: True Make MipMaps: True Calculate Alpha:False MipMap Gauss:False Mipmap AlphaMult:1.0 CompressionType: DXT --------------- Reading mipmap ShCrn.tga.tex from cache [DrawableSpans 00000000_0] Processing Faces per Material - Totalling 1 materials Material MatShlCrn Object is Shadeless, not appending any lamps [Physical] ProxyBounds export Exporting 32 (32) vertices Exporting 13 (13) faces No Mass No Friction, disabling frictive setting Elasticity: 0.0 Pinning object Camera blocking enabled Object is Static [Visual Object 427Flr] [LogicHelper] No actions in list None Exporting modifiers No modifiers None [Draw Interface 427Flr] [Material MatShlFlr] [Layer MatShlFlr-ShFlr.tga] -> Using UV map '' -> Err, Using first UV map [MipMap ShFlr.tga.001] MipMapInfo: --------------- Imagename:ShFlr.tga.001 Resize Image: True Make MipMaps: True Calculate Alpha:False MipMap Gauss:False Mipmap AlphaMult:1.0 CompressionType: DXT --------------- Reading mipmap ShFlr.tga.001.tex from cache [DrawableSpans 00000000_0] Processing Faces per Material - Totalling 1 materials Material MatShlFlr Object is Shadeless, not appending any lamps [Physical] ProxyBounds export Exporting 24 (24) vertices Exporting 21 (21) faces No Mass No Friction, disabling frictive setting Elasticity: 0.0 Pinning object Camera blocking enabled Object is Static [Collider 427FlrCOL.002] [Physical] ProxyBounds export Exporting 18 (18) vertices Exporting 15 (15) faces No Mass No Friction, disabling frictive setting Elasticity: 0.0 Camera blocking enabled Object is Static [Collider 427StrCOL] [Physical] ProxyBounds export Exporting 8 (8) vertices Exporting 3 (3) faces No Mass No Friction, disabling frictive setting Elasticity: 0.0 Pinning object Camera blocking enabled Object is Static @ Saving page Textures -1 @ Saving page BuiltIn -2 @ Saving page Shell427 427 Writing Pahts.fni Computing Checksums... Writing Pahts.sum done in 28.24 seconds

Is there anything I missed? (Note: I noticed that there are two floors: 427Flr and 427FlrCOL. I deleted 427Flr and changed 427FlrCOL. Could that be the problem? I later replaced 427Flr, but it didn't seem to change anything.

EDIT: I can't seem to find the materials on the existing objects, which makes it hard to do it the same way as the existing materials. Where are the materials coming from? Can someone post a pic of a working material setup?

UPDATE: It turns out that the "COL" in 427FlrCOL stands for "collider", meaning that the object is invisible, but able to be walked on (like the "shield" over the steps so that the avatar doesn't get stuck). I changed it to type:object (and ignorePPT:true, whatever that means) and have a visible surface, although I can't see the texture now (just plain white).

by **Aloys** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:32 pm

All the "COL" objects are indeed colliders, they should not be used as visible objects. (they have no textures, because they are not meant to be visible).

Also, what version of PyPRP are you using? AFAIK the shells haven't been tested on PyPRP 1.5.0 yet.

by **di gama** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:32 pm

I'm pretty sure it's PyPRP 1.4.0 (it might be a little earlier, but it's not the experimental version). I got it off the Installing PyPRP page about 3 weeks ago.

I realize that COL objects are not meant to be seen, but I have modified the object so much that its name no longer reflects its purpose. What must I change on a COL object in order to make it collidable, visible, and have an image texture?

by **boblishman** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:19 am

select the object ... check the logic poperties (purple smilie button) ... if it has a property set as string:type:collider ... delete it (thats what makes it an invisible collider)

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