New Post by Chogon

[CyricD]

Best bet, imo, is to just keep doing what you're doing while saying as little as possible.

[Jamey]

This saddens me. Cyan has shown just how much it cares about keeping Uru alive: That is, it does not care.

If Cyan didn't care about bringing Uru back, they would not be doing Open Source for us. Heck, if it weren't for Cyan, Uru would not exist, nor would we all be here right now. Would you feel better if Uru never existed? I know I wouldn't

Cyan DID NOT say that they did or did not approve of Drizzle, they simply said it has not been given their permission. That was it.

Cyan Worlds has *not* given any permission for the Drizzle program to the creator(s) of Drizzle or anyone using it or any derivative work of Drizzle.

I believe you seriously misunderstood Chogon's post. I believe Chogon is clarifying all of this so no one can claim that they have Cyan support or something like that. It's happened before at times, and I think Cyan wants to make sure it does not happen again.

Cyan can shove its "we do not approve" up its proverbial arse, for all I care.

That was out-of-line and completely unnecessary.

To be honest, Drizzle does not need their "sanction" or "permission". As ddb174 says, its legal, and that's that.

You are correct on this. However that does not mean we cannot try to get Cyan behind us to give it their permission.

[Erik]

I respect their stance on shards, that's why I haven't joined any yet. I'm a bit disappointed about their statements on Drizzle, 'cause it's harmless for offline use. I think it's a good guess that they want to re-assure Creative Kingdoms.

It may be easy to port Cyan's new worlds to Uru with Drizzle in the future. However, I beg that Drizzle won't have support for Cyan's new games that are unrelated to Uru. Finally Cyan seems to have a grand new project which will provide them lots of work and money. If Drizzle allows that new project to be converted, then it's over for Cyan and for us. So, while people may be tempted to try to convert the new game in the future, please don't. It's a matter of respect and common sense.

- A happy Drizzle and Offline KI user

[kaelisebonrai]

If Cyan didn't care about bringing Uru back, they would not be doing Open Source for us.

Um, what Open Source?

I'm personally starting to lose faith that there ever /will/ be an Open Source release.

Companies don't just release a brand new online game using an engine, and then go right ahead and open source that engine. Its not often done, sure, I'd love to be shown to be wrong, but, I've lost faith in Cyan.

And, personally, I certainly hope that ddb174, etc, release the tools to convert MagiQuest.

Erik: you are aware that the Crowthistle ages have nothing to do with Uru, right? Those are already converted and used by many users. Why make a distinction? Why should old things that have used plasma even if they are not related to Uru be "OK" to convert, but anything new not be "OK"?

[Jamey]

I respect their stance on shards, that's why I haven't joined any yet. I'm a bit disappointed about their statements on Drizzle, 'cause it's harmless for offline use. I think it's a good guess that they want to re-assure Creative Kingdoms.

It may be easy to port Cyan's new worlds to Uru with Drizzle in the future. However, I beg that Drizzle won't have support for Cyan's new games that are unrelated to Uru. Finally Cyan seems to have a grand new project which will provide them lots of work and money. If Drizzle allows that new project to be converted, then it's over for Cyan and for us. So, while people may be tempted to try to convert the new game in the future, please don't. It's a matter of respect and common sense.

- A happy Drizzle and Offline KI user

What you said Erik!

It would break continuity and not to mention RAWA's fifth rule of age writing:

Writers must not use the intellectual property of others, This includes references to trademarks, copyrights, etc. Writers cannot write an Age where their character meets Captain Kirk, their Age cannot contain a Coca-Cola machine, etc. Everything in their Age or mentioned in their storyline must be their own work.

Now I know this is mainly aimed at content in fan-created ages, but I think if we were to import whole worlds from other games, it would still count. What's next, import worlds from Lord of the Rings Online, or whatever other worlds could come into Uru? By doing this, we completely corrupt continuity and the realism of Uru. I hope the GoMa and the Guild of Archivists will be able to prevent all this in that respect.

[ddb174]

Well, since the sale scheme is $10 for unlimited play, people buying it to convert for play in Uru makes them extra money ;)

By doing this, we completely corrupt continuity and the realism of Uru. I hope the GoMa and the Guild of Archivists will be able to prevent all this in that respect.

We don't need more tyranny in Uru. All Fan Ages are welcome, even if not liked by everyone. And I know you're not talking about Fan Ages, but it sounds like the same thinking to me.

[Jamey]

Well, since the sale scheme is $10 for unlimited play, people buying it to convert for play in Uru makes them extra money

By doing this, we completely corrupt continuity and the realism of Uru. I hope the GoMa and the Guild of Archivists will be able to prevent all this in that respect.

We don't need more tyranny in Uru. All Fan Ages are welcome, even if not liked by everyone. And I know you're not talking about Fan Ages, but it sounds like the same thinking to me.

Right, I agree that fan ages should be welcomed, I'm just saying that I think other places that are not meant to be put in the Uru universe (for example, the Magiquest Online places), should not be just brought in instantly just because they can. I think we should try to maintain the realism of Uru, and I think that adding places like that would break the realism of the game as I said before.

I mean, if the Half-Life 2 levels could be put into Uru, should we do it just because we can, even if it breaks realism?

[Justintime9]

I don't know about the majority of URU fans, but continuity is very important to me. In fact, realism is a major factor in URU's appeal. I've never really been able to get into fantasy novels unless they have some link to the real world. This is why I like Harry Potter, and moreover, URU. The fact that everything in URU seems like it could happen, makes it so much more appealing.

For this reason, I believe that bringing in Magiquest "ages" , and even Crowthistle doesn't seem right. It's like people suddenly being able to link to narnia in URU. It just doesn't make sense. We need to draw the line somewhere, just like the D'ni Guild of Writers before us, there are some things that just shouldn't be done.

[D'nial]

What programme did Crowthistle use to run before it was on Drizzle?

[Karkadann]

What I feel Cyan needs to realize is all the stuff you can add to Uru CC may be what has kept it on the map, and kept it popular. I think a lot of people would have just gone threw the whole thing several times and put in on the shelf and forgotten about it like so many other games. But the way you guys are going thier is always something new to check out in Uru CC and keeps it popular. People wanna return to Uru CC to see what new. and when they do what do they see............the Cyan tradmark