The purpose of the guild of writers is?

[Paradox]

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Did anyone stop to think that none of this would be happening if the name of the site was something other than "Guild"?

Quite seriously, how is this site any different than any other resource sites? People keep referring to this "guild", but nobody has actually defined what it is. Nobody can own the "guild" because it is not a concrete concept, nor does it have a mind or a purpose of its own. The "guild"'s purpose is made up of the collective purposes of its members, some of whom like to do research and push the boundaries of our current tools.

This is one of the biggest reasons that people were so against the idea of guilds in Uru, because the word itself leads to useless bickering that wouldn't otherwise exist.

[Jamey]

I think you misread the posts that actually count in this thread.

I remember now why I gave up talking to walls

And that was downright disrespectful. I posted this to exchange ideas NOT to seek disrespect and hostility nor have I done anything to deserve it (besides questioning your opinion, which shouldn't be subject to such things.) Which is no way for any guildsman to conduct himself, especially one of your position. I have no problem with someone offering a inverse opinion but to do so through disrespect is a big sign of immaturity, immaturity this guild has no room for.

Let's examine what you're doing here. You're not looking at whom I'm addressing for the first point (I don't have infinite patience with Justin or Jamey; I was not even addressing you--I probably should have clarified that by quoting them). Second point, you're trying to tell the owner of the forum how to behave... That's just not cool in general. At least my finger doesn't hover over the ban button 24/7.

Alright then, let me be the one to say it.

And that was downright disrespectful. I posted this to exchange ideas NOT to seek disrespect and hostility nor have I done anything to deserve it (besides questioning your opinion, which shouldn't be subject to such things.) Which is no way for any guildsman to conduct himself, especially one of your position. I have no problem with someone offering a inverse opinion but to do so through disrespect is a big sign of immaturity, immaturity this guild has no room for.

Seriously, Justin and I were just trying to get our opinion across, why did you have to insult us just because we disagree with you? We never attacked you to begin with.

[Tsar Hoikas]

Seriously, Justin and I were just trying to get our opinion across, why did you have to insult us just because we disagree with you? We never attacked you to begin with.

Ignoring authoritative posts and attempting to restart the zOMG HAX war.

You may be the owner of the forum, but you don't own the guild.

I don't see "The Guild" using a method of communication outside of my forum... I can't command every single thing you do, but I am pretty sick of the zOMG HAX war. Everything you do on this forum is a hack. Get over it. PyPRP is a hack. UAM is a hack. Your age is a hack. The EULA itself states that you "will not distribute unauthorized scenarios" and "reverse engineer any portion of the software program". Every thing we do here falls under those labels.

Sorry to break it to you so harshly, but, sometimes, the world needs a cantankerous d00d to poke holes in false arguments...

[BAD]

For the love of Mike....

I swear you guys are the dumbest kids I have ever seen post.

*EDIT* I had to fix a grammatical error.

[Darien]

Speaking for myself, I first came to the GoW for info on Drizzle and the Offline Ki. To me, getting as much of Cyan's work incorporated into Uru and unlocking many of Uru's hidden features was more interesting than fan ages. Over time I've grown to really like some of the fan ages and as a result I've installed Blender (however, learning how to use it is going to take a while.) I wouldn't have done this were it not for the initial efforts to "take [Ages] from different games."

Since I don't remember seeing any complaining about MOUL and Myst V ages, and only minimal complaints about Crowthistle ages, it seems to me the real reason this thread was started is because of Drizzle's upcoming support of Cosmic Osmo's Hex-Isle. I'm not exactly thrilled by this but it doesn't bother me. I don't have the game and I don't think it looks very Myst-like, unlike the Crowthistle Ages. I find it hard to believe that a pet project of ONE PERSON, posting in a forum created for the purpose of discussing conversion tools, has people so upset. Just because active forum discussions are about topics that don't interest you doesn't mean that new ages are not being developed. One need only look at Tweek's Fahets to see this. There's also been about seven age updates this past month.

[Paradox]

*clears throat*



'nuff said

[Jamey]

Seriously, Justin and I were just trying to get our opinion across, why did you have to insult us just because we disagree with you? We never attacked you to begin with.

Ignoring authoritative posts and attempting to restart the zOMG HAX war.

What are you talking about? I was only giving my own opinion. I have a right to disagree. I'm not trying to start any kind of fight at all, let alone a war.

I really want to understand your perspective, but it's hard to respect the opinion of someone who doesn't show me any respect. I will do my best to do the same in return.

For the love of Mike....

I swear you guys are the dumbest kids I have ever seen post.

*EDIT* I had to fix a grammatical error.

Yeah, I guess it was dumb of me to expect a civil discussion on this forum.

[BAD]

Seriously, Justin and I were just trying to get our opinion across, why did you have to insult us just because we disagree with you? We never attacked you to begin with.

Ignoring authoritative posts and attempting to restart the zOMG HAX war.

What are you talking about? I was only giving my own opinion. I have a right to disagree. I'm not trying to start any kind of fight at all, let alone a war.

I really want to understand your perspective, but it's hard to respect the opinion of someone who doesn't show me any respect. I will do my best to do the same in return.

For the love of Mike....

I swear you guys are the dumbest kids I have ever seen post.

*EDIT* I had to fix a grammatical error.

Yeah, I guess it was dumb of me to expect a civil discussion on this forum.

OK I'm gonna try something new......

Jamey,

I want you to search for this phrase, "Everything done at the GOW is a hack". Don't use the quotation marks. Then post back in this thread how many results you get. If you want to be clever, you can count how many of these actually are asserting the idea the statement makes and give us that number.

Now for the second step. I want you to find out how many of the threads with those words have replies from you in them. This would prove that you at least partially read the thread and quite possibly read those words.

The last step. Explain how you could possibly continue this idiotic tirade about meaningless ideas with full knowledge of what happens here.

For the last time from me.

This Guild (club, group, party, formation, who gives a fark what it's called) is for supporting age and tool creators. This place is NOT for making moral decisions beyond making sure no laws (outside of the ones that we have allowed to be broken) are broken here. This place is NOT for making any decisions about continuity for any game.

[Jojon]

Seriously, Justin and I were just trying to get our opinion across, why did you have to insult us just because we disagree with you? We never attacked you to begin with.

Adam can certainly be blunt, but here? With the "talking to walls" statement, He's basically making the observation that you do not listen to argument, which, as far as I can tell is 100% true. I'll be the blunt one here, in his place: Who is insulting who, in a thread where the people whose hard work makes our age-writing possible at all, are implicitly being accused of being crooks and thieves, apparently hell-bent on ruining business for that there Cyan company, all for doing just that hard work?


Someone mentioned situations where statements were issued by spokesmen of said company. Let me tell you a little story of irony, by breaking down that tale in short points:

+ Rumors began to circulate, that there were still ways to run Uru online, in some form. All was calm and civilised.

+ Under some circumstances, somebody felt a bit left out of all this and decided to express his thoughts about this on forums. A litle bit of steam puffed out to one side of the lid, but the contents of the kettle remained easily contained, the surface of the water barely stirring.

+ At this point some well-intentioned individual, with slighly misaligned logical thinking, decided to cause a a ruckus about the prospect of the rumors being true and possible consequences thereof. This made it hard to maintain the status quo, because the individual proved determined to LET THE WORLD KNOW!

+ The individual wound up contacting Cyan and telling them they MUST DO SOMETHING, OR TEH WORLD WILL END!!!

+ With a ghost image of the cat evicted from the bag, Cyan had to make some form of statement to cover their posterior.

The well intentioned individual did not, as he thought, inform Cyan about an atrocity they had no clue about. What he infact did do, was to force their hand. It's always a good bit of comic tragedy to see somebody's attempts to do good having the exact opposite consequences...

You guys are doing one thing: creating a problem where none exists.

If you wish to have slightly cleaner hands in your age-building, I could furnish you a suite of tools that uses no reverse engineering whatsoever - it'll download in literally no time at all and use up zero storage.

[J'Kla]

I have two points of order to bring up.

1) It is possible to write an age without using a hack an Age can be created in Blender you can't export it you can't put an avatar in it but you can create it.

2) It is possible to create fan fiction there has always been a fan fiction licence available from Cyan.

Apart from these two points which I consider minor I have to completely agree with Adam and BAD.

BAD can vouch for how much I set aside to comply with Cyan hopes and aims. I have had a major piece of fan fiction (Legal fan fiction that's over 60,000 words of text) on hold for years it's so old it's grown a beard and gone to live in a cave. It probably represents about two months solid work scattered over three years.

I have a great deal of respect for the free time put in making it possible to embed my work in an age. Some day a version may appear if I can get clearance from Cyan until then all I can do is wait.

Until that glorious day can we put aside this meaningless point and counterpoint drivel and accept that while there will be differences of opinion we will just have to agree to disagree and move on.

There is room in this guild,club,collective whatever for all shades of opinion let's see if we can hang in there till Cyan either bail out or hand us the goods.