The purpose of the guild of writers is?

[Paradox]

We are the Guild of Writers.
The guild was created initially by Cyan Worlds.

Again, you do not define "Guild".

If you are referring to the site, the forums, the wiki, etc. then no, Cyan did not have any hand in creating them. The only thing that Cyan did was release an Age during MOUL that included a piece of paper and a TShirt.

In fact, I remember The Writers Guild forums from back in 2005, and the Guild of Age Crafters forums from back in 2007... neither of those had any Cyan involvement either.

[Jamey]

My mistake, I should have clarified earlier.

When I say "Guild" or "Guild of Writers", I am not talking about the site, or the Wiki, PyPRP, or even Drizzle. Or any of the tools or sites we use for that matter.

I'm talking about all of us. I refer the term "Guild" or "Guild of Writers", to us. A group of people with special (and often amazing) talents, trying to make something new for Uru.

As I said before, it is a game that Cyan made, which does belong to them since they created it.

I just think we need to give them the respect they deserve and follow what they would like for us to do, and not do anything that would be against their wishes. After everything that has been done for us by Cyan, after giving us this game we all know and love, I think they deserve that, if not more. Wouldn't you agree with this if you were in Cyan's shoes?

As for the other writers forums, I wouldn't know of them since I wasn't around back then. I've only been around the Uru community since March '07, but I wish I could have been around back then.

[Chacal]

Let's all remember that debating opposing ideas, in a respectful manner, is a good, even desireable thing. It keeps us healthy.
Debating the same opposing ideas over and over again, maybe not so much.

It's my hope that you to understand where I am coming from, and hopefully take it into consideration. Please.

Jamey, I do, and I do. I even respect your opinion, however much I may disagree with it.
You certainly have a right to express it, which you have done many times, in many threads, in many forums. We all get the message. We just don't agree, and repeating the message won't make us change our minds.

What you have no right to do is to try to limit what others are doing.
You act according to your opinions, we do the same.

Your latest posts about the Guild are interesting. We're obviously not talking about the same thing.
We, as a community, a "group of people", started many years ago, well before Cyan came out (in desperation, might I say) with the idea of explorers forming guilds.

If your ideal is Cyan's GoW, then sorry, it is not us.

[semplerfi]

I am sorry to but in but, I have to ask.

After everything that has been done for us by Cyan, after giving us this game we all know and love, I think they deserve that, if not more.

How and when were you given the game Jamey?

I had to pay for my copy of the game with my hard earned money.

If I had been given the game I would probably have a different take on this issue too.

[Paradox]

What respect do you feel Cyan deserves?

Cyan has always had a bit of a holier-than-thou attitude, especially when deal with fans and the community. It's very sad really, since I know there are (or were) some great people at Cyan who really support what the fans have done, but are unable to actually express that due to the company position. Mark has said a number of times that he is impressed with what we've accomplished.

In D'mala, during a Town Hall meeting, Mark said that the goal for MOUL was to get the 3DS Max toolset out to the fans as soon as possible, and to publish information that would allow PyPRP developers to expand the plugin. That never happened.

In 2006, Cyan said that UU would remain open as an option for international players. By 2007 UU had been shut down, paying a huge disrespect to all the time and energy (and money) that shard owners had poured into the game. After having a lot of control, Cyan suddenly tightened their reins and gave the community no way to help improve Uru.

Oh, they opened a ticket system... but any sort of fan-contributed patches were completely ignored. Believe me, I at one point wrote a ticket for something and even included the line numbers and files that needed to be changed. When MOUL shut down, the ticket was still open. Any attempt to explain exactly what should be fixed was usually answered with a "do not hack" warning.

Over the past 5 years, we've had a number of both informal, and formal discussions with Cyan. The result is usually that the individual Cyantists want to work with us, the company says that they want to work with us, and after a few times of hearing "I promise to talk to [someone] and get back to you" with no response, you kinda realise that working with Cyan isn't much of an option.

In some ways, everything we do is in spite of Cyan, not because of them. Fan ages never had any sort of Cyan approval until after the plugin was written.

[Jamey]

It's clear to me now that people are going to just do what they want, simply because they can, regardless of whose feelings get hurt, regardless of the consequences, regardless of what justifications are made for or against their actions, regardless of anything. I cannot stop anyone here from doing anything, nor can I say anything to make a difference anymore.

Why, and how, can one be so careless towards Cyan Worlds? After everything they've done for us?




Do what you want. I can't stop you, or convince you not to.

I hope I have not made any enemies because of this topic.
I'll still be around, but by now, you should know my position on the state of things...

[kaelisebonrai]

Why, and how, can one be so careless towards Cyan Worlds? After everything they've done for us?

Uh, exactly what have they done for us? They released Uru sure, but, hundreds of other companies have released games, too, and they don't automatically get blind adoration or following. They have lied on a number of occasions, though, they've told us one thing, then done something completely different. By the by, we *PAID* for our access to Uru. They didn't exactly just give it to us, you know? I had to part with my hard earned money to get access to MOUL. And, I had to part with it to get Uru:CC. I had to part with it to get Crowthistle. I did get MYSTV as a gift, so, I, personally, didn't have to part with it to get MYST V, but, someone did. I had to part with it to get realMYST. Riven, too. MYST as well, Same with Revelation. I borrowed a friend's Exile when I played it, still plan on parting with my hard earned money to get a copy, though. We've paid for their efforts with our hard-earned money. They /owe/ it to *US* not us to them. Hell, I'm from Australia, so guess what? I paid for MOUL, with my hard earned cash. I didn't get the benefits of GameTap, and I paid *more* for it. Don't talk to me about everything Cyan's "done for us".

[Valdez]

Hello Everyone. Just thought I'd drop by and give an opinion after watching this go on and on.

Here's how I see it:

Personally, I have no problem with people hacking THEIR PAYED FOR copy of the Plasma-based game for implementation into THEIR PAYED FOR copy of URU. And I think it's ok to put up instructions on how to hack Plasma games. Just as long as the person executing this hack did not get their copy of the game through illicit means (download sites, torrents, physical stealing). The only thing hacks will do to your game (besides possibly ruining it) is void the EULA. All that does is void the registration or technical help warranty. As long as the user used their own (unless recieved as a gift) money to pay for the games.

The real problem lies within people wanting that 'free ride' to a game. Like downloading the Crowthistle content, M5, RealMYST, Hex Isle, or any other Plasma based game/content, free of charge.

As Whilyam once said, there really isn't any URU continuity, therefore none is being broken for those that are worried about the Canon issue. Also, doesn't The Art let you write links to infinite ages? Infinite Possibilities. Therefore, how is it breaking canon to have an age made of dessert?

Once again, hacking of most sorts is truely ok by my standards. Just as long as it was a paid for copy by the user and he/she does not distribute the Cyan Game Content files to other people so they can have their "free ride."

Thank you and Good night,

Valdez

[Whilyam]

It is not careless to Cyan for people to find enjoyment figuring out how the game they paid for works. Some developers have a negative opinion of Cyan. While I disagree, there's nothing wrong about that. What IS wrong is this same nonsense about how much people "owe" Cyan. It is past time to stop this childish argument. We "owe" Cyan money if we buy their games and that is all. I have great respect for them and think they're one of the most creative game designers around, but that was respect they earned from me. If other people don't have that same respect, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

[Valdez]

True Whilyam, very true.