The purpose of the guild of writers is?

[Dakro]

You know I was thinking about responding to everything individually, but what's the point. I really don't feel like calling everyone out for the things they've said. I do think, and I really think we could all be guilty of this at some degree, that we should think before we post, because I think we're mature enough not to throw insults at each other to shoot down each other's ideas.

And before you think, ohh here goes ol' Dakro goin' at it again, listen up I've digested this all I really have. I want get down to it, and see what the thoughts are on some points. I may or may not make a poll on these points too, I'm not sure.

1. Is it agreed that Hex isle will not be canon?

2. Are we making any attempts to distribute these files to other coders?

3. Well okay I had to post this and get an opinion on it. I know this guild can't be named "official" but I think this is also worth recognizing because this is what Cyan said the guild's purpose was set to be (as found in Kirel).

The members of the Guild of Writers were the only individuals who were recognized by the D'ni society as being qualified to write Descriptive Books. It was the Writer's Guild that wrote all the official Ages for private enterprise, the government, and any other Guild that required Ages.

In the future, we hope that the new Guild of Writers continues the tradition of making new Ages available. Though often considered the most elite of the Guilds, the Writers' tasks were also considered the most arduous and intense. We assume that the new tasks will be just as intense. - Writing a Descriptive Book is not something to be taken lightly.

So I ask you, is writing ages really what this guild is about?

I was a bit suprised to see how many people voted that they disagreed with this guild being about creating ages, the main arguement from the "hackers" (its what you are, I'm not trying to make it a dirty word) is to find out thing about the plasma engine to improve our abilities to make better ages for Uru, right? So.. I think its fairly decent to say, yeah, this is being done so we can make ages for Uru, right?

Also I notice alot of you demonize Cyan for not saying much, but they're busy professional company. And as such, I don't see why they should care. It shutdown it could have ended there but it didn't, why? Because of us. Yeah, and our stubborness to stick to it put them into action to bring the game back, and they did. We thought they were great then, right? Well here we are, in a very similiar position, so I do think we have every right to push their buttons into getting this game out, because it worked last time didn't it? I can't say I was around during the days of UU (to my dismay) but how much of bringing Uru back was demonizing Cyan? How bad are they really gonna want to work with us if we keep demonizing them?

And I know I'm not sure whom is adressing whom here anymore, but I can't believe you said this BAD

I swear you guys are the dumbest kids I have ever seen post.

I don't know if this was addressing me or not, but I can't believe I'm serving my country so these kind of things can be said. Honestly, anyone who threw around insults on this forum, should apoligize. If there's anything you'd like me to apolgize for, send me the quote, but honestly, I could not believe what was being said here by some of you. I don't know if the mods or guild masters or whoever consider themselves leaders, but good God guys, seriously? Were those comments at all nessassary? Did we really have to go as far as blantant insults?

[kaelisebonrai]

@Dakro: We are a guild of hackers. Each and every single person that has created an age, has hacked Uru.

Also, RE: Cyan being a busy professional company... Plenty of busy professional companies generally take the time to talk to their fan communities. Do you know why they do? Because it earns them respect, it earns them more fans, which, in turn, earns them more money. It earns them more sales of their games. Cyan doesn't do that, a whole lot. Look where it has landed them? They were trying to run an MMO with no skills in community management, and that, to be honest, is downright stupidity.

As for you serving your country... Why should I care that you're serving your country? I mean, really, why should I care?

1) I'm not from your country
2) It was your choice for you to serve, not mine.

So, uh, why do you even think I care?

EDIT: Also, I believe the traditional stance of americans serving their country is so that they may have free speech. Funny that you're suggesting that you don't want them to have it.. I wonder how your superiors would feel about that?

[J'Kla]

That was uncalled for kaelisebonrai.

Yes we may be a Guild of hackers but that is no reason for a lack of respect.

If Dakro is proud of the fact that he serves his country then that's addressed to the other members of his country and therefore quite frankly not your job to question his pride.

I spent 10 years serving My country (Not USA) and it's something I can understand.

Cyan may be rubbish at public relations and have a focus that you don't like but that is their lookout if they want to try to run an MMO with what is in your opinion no skills in community management that is their problem.

I respect your right to criticise but the Dig at Dakro was out of order.

[kaelisebonrai]

My dig was definitely justified.

If you want to use your *choice* to serve to influence arguments that are totally UNRELATED. Than yes, you should expect digs like that.

A focus that I don't like? Where did you get that idea? Uru was a brilliant idea, but was implemented poorly.

Also, it was not pride, that I saw in Dakro, it was an attempt to silence the free speech of others. Something that is the antithesis of what is good and right, and what many people attribute to the armed forces serving their country are doing. "fighting for our freedom."

I, too, am Proud of my relatives who fought and served for *my* country. The diggers that fought for my country, they fought for our freedom, they did NOT fight so some young person could make mention of their CHOICE to serve as a reason to silence another's opinions. That *does* offend and infuriate me.

EDIT: Also, it may be of interest to you, but I do have American relatives, my fiance is American, and, to be honest, I may even move there. So, yes, it is damn well my business.

[Agenotfound]

thread is going nowhere ... again

[Dhelayan]

Yep...

[Jojon]

Everybody is being defensive and overly sensitive - semantics keeps tripping us.

@kaelis:

 I'm sure Dakro only meant to say that he is a bit disappointed to see somebody choosing to use his freedom of speech to put somebody else down, in what it otherwise a mostly frienly group of people, rather than expressing a wish for heavy-handed moderation.
That he chose to do this using somewhat jingoistic rethoric is unfortunate, but just shows how ways of expression differs across cultures and sub-cultures -- what sounds innocent to one man is explosive to another.

@Dakro:

 The reason you see all those nay-votes, is all out of semantics and demarkation.
Research and the creation of tools for agewriting and usage of those tools are two sides of the same coin; you can't have the latter without the former, but it soon became apparent that the purpose of the poll was to divide the two aspects and brand the former as unclean and having no place in our fine guild.
If this is not what was intended, we once again see how difficult it can be to get a point across.

Really, your worries (as I read them) are mere phantoms - extrapolations borne out of irrational fear -- it's one of those things we humans do (well, *I* keep doing it anyway).

[Jamey]

*sigh* may as well post my thoughts. I thought I was done with this topic, but whenever I feel I need to express my thoughts, there's no stopping me.

I'm sure Dakro only meant to say that he is a bit disappointed to see somebody choosing to use his freedom of speech to put somebody else down, in what it otherwise a mostly frienly group of people, rather than expressing a wish for heavy-handed moderation.

I completely agree with you there Jojon. I'm sure Dakro meant no harm in any shape or form.

As for you serving your country... Why should I care that you're serving your country? I mean, really, why should I care?

1) I'm not from your country
2) It was your choice for you to serve, not mine.

So, uh, why do you even think I care?

EDIT: Also, I believe the traditional stance of americans serving their country is so that they may have free speech. Funny that you're suggesting that you don't want them to have it.. I wonder how your superiors would feel about that?

My dig was definitely justified.

If you want to use your *choice* to serve to influence arguments that are totally UNRELATED. Than yes, you should expect digs like that.

A focus that I don't like? Where did you get that idea? Uru was a brilliant idea, but was implemented poorly.

Also, it was not pride, that I saw in Dakro, it was an attempt to silence the free speech of others. Something that is the antithesis of what is good and right, and what many people attribute to the armed forces serving their country are doing. "fighting for our freedom."

I, too, am Proud of my relatives who fought and served for *my* country. The diggers that fought for my country, they fought for our freedom, they did NOT fight so some young person could make mention of their CHOICE to serve as a reason to silence another's opinions. That *does* offend and infuriate me.

EDIT: Also, it may be of interest to you, but I do have American relatives, my fiance is American, and, to be honest, I may even move there. So, yes, it is damn well my business.

Wow kaelisebonrai, your complete lack of respect I've seen is absolutely disgusting. Dakro was not trying to silence anyone. People fight for our country for more than just "free speech". Spare me the mindless stereotypes.

I don't care if you are from the USA, or from Australia; you have ZERO reason to be disrespectful and question someone's pride in putting themselves out on the line to serve their country.

You were completely out-of-line and you owe Dakro a serious apology.

[Jojon]

I'm sure Dakro only meant to say that he is a bit disappointed to see somebody choosing to use his freedom of speech to put somebody else down, in what it otherwise a mostly frienly group of people, rather than expressing a wish for heavy-handed moderation.

I completely agree with you there Jojon. I'm sure Dakro meant no harm in any shape or form.

I wish you would also have taken into account what I said immediately after the bit you quoted. Respect is a two-way street.

Understand that the way americans at large talk of patriotism, seems rather... fanatical and arrogant, to people of other persuasions, to whom the idea of nationalism is pretty much summed up in the sort of individuals who end up before the Hague tribunal.

[Tsar Hoikas]

thread is going nowhere ... again

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