RAWA is our new community manager

[Tsar Hoikas]

Flame bait. Uses a lot of words to say nothing.

I'm saying that all three of you don't know what he means when he says

do without them and do just fine

and that saying that he's saying he wants you to leave the guild, or that we don't need any work on pyrprp or age creation is are assumptions.

So RELAX.. and wait for crisger to elaberate and what he said.

Secondly.. I'm trying to have intellectual debate here and you're acting completely childish.

There is no other interpretation. He wants us gone. That's what you mean when you "do without" someone or something. You get rid of it.

Secondly... I have no tolerance for people who defend such obvious trolling.

[Paradox]

Thank you CrisGer, for insulting the people who have a realistic view of things (perhaps pessimistic, yes) and who have worked to make fan Ages possible. Last time I checked, it was not a crime to be a pessimist.

Also thank you for belittling our work (after all, these aren't REAL Ages), spreading misinformation, and totally ignoring the blatant truth.


But, you don't consider his post to be inflammatory in any way?

You should all be ashamed

[BAD]

Flame bait. Uses a lot of words to say nothing.

I'm saying that all three of you don't know what he means when he says

do without them and do just fine

and that saying that he's saying he wants you to leave the guild, or that we don't need any work on pyrprp or age creation is are assumptions.

So RELAX.. and wait for crisger to elaberate and what he said.

Secondly.. I'm trying to have intellectual debate here and you're acting completely childish.

Wrong. YOU're trying to push your ways of thinking on others. You and your friends insist your positive thinkers yet you continue to insult the developers and age makers here. You act innocent and it's incredibly phony. If you boys are really this dumb, then god bless you, but you need to stop criticizing people just because you don't understand where they are coming from.

People here have FIRST HAND experience dealing with Cyan DIRECTLY. No vagary, no maybes, REAL experience. They are speaking from a place either you refuse to see, or can't possibly understand, and you need to respect that.

No one wants Cris to elaborate. No one wants to continue reading your drivel.

We have this thing, it's called *Our own opinions!*. It doesn't matter what is good for Cyan, bad for Uru, or whatever. Our opinions negative, positive, or realistic are ours and we are not going to change them just because you want us too.

[Tomala]

<Paradox> aww... Tomala was reading the thread and didn't reply <Paradox> Doesn't she have some sarcastic, biting, totally-out-of-line remark to make in our favour? >.>

I love you too...

[Paradox]

<Paradox> aww... Tomala was reading the thread and didn't reply
<Paradox> Doesn't she have some sarcastic, biting, totally-out-of-line remark to make in our favour? >.>

I love you too...

I look forward to your contributions... they've been lacking recently, and all the optimism and anti-pessimism is making me feel ill

[D'nial]

Wait... So Crisger defends RAWA, and criticizes the negativity, and now he's a troll all of a sudden? Could you please explain how that works, because I'm just not seeing it.

Optimism isn't a problem. Militant optimism, such that it is used in protest against pessimistic opinions, is a problem.

RAWA may be good as community manager. But he may also be bad. Some of the posts I've seen seem to be overreactions to that statement, which is nevertheless a very real possibility.

[Tweek]

Wait... So Crisger defends RAWA, and criticizes the negativity, and now he's a troll all of a sudden? Could you please explain how that works, because I'm just not seeing it.

Optimism isn't a problem. Militant optimism, such that it is used in protest against pessimistic opinions, is a problem.

RAWA may be good as community manager. But he may also be bad. Some of the posts I've seen seem to be overreactions to that statement, which is nevertheless a very real possibility.

but..but..but...

[Tomala]

and all the optimism and anti-pessimism is making me feel ill

I'm optimistic that your pessimism will get the traditional reaction that every other persons pessimism gets in this community.

Though I do wonder why CrisGer comes around to these parts where the pessimistic tend to run the place and tell them that they don't belong here. Is he saying that the GOW should die? Which coming from him would make sense since the only worthy content is Cyan content. So in that case, why is he even here?

/nuts

[Dr Crisger]

I will be happy to explain a bit. Hopefully it will help.

I have TOTAL and COMPLETE admiration and respect for all efforts to make ages, to learn the intricacies of the engines we inherited and to prepare to add new content to the Cavern when it returns. I believe totally in the Writers Guild and all the guilds and in the reasons behind them.

And Yes, i have known Cyan and the world of URU for many years now. I know them to be honourable and sincere people and amazingly transparent compared to many other game developers. They mean what they say, and they will deliver as they can on their promises. They like all fo us are affected by the current economic situation and are dong the very best they can to return us to the Cavern.

RAWA is a wonderful and sincere person, a giant really tho a quiet and thoughtful person too. He will be a careful and conciencious guardian and guide. He has already posted three times and including a very detailed post about the process of Age making and added great detail to what has been thought about and shared about the process.

My strong words were for the tiny minority who keep attacking Cyan, Rand and RAWA now with negative and mean words and thoughts. I dont know where this comes from but i know it is present and is a cancer and a viper in our midst. We are a diverse and wonderful community of amazing people, every one of us, and really i would not want to lose a single Explorer. But after years of enduring some very negative energy I am speaking out more strongly to try to help return us to a more compassionate and kindly direction. I do not mean my remarks personaly to any one person, nor do I have the right to more than express my opinion. We are all equal. When we are in the Cavern it is easier to see this, for none of us is higher or lower or should be. This was the great lesson the D'ni themselves were learning in their own evolution and some of what amazes me about what underlies Rand and Cyan's story is how perceptive and wise so much of the underlying philosphy and lore is. We too are learning how to work and learn as a community, very diverse and very different.

So my own words tho they may seem harsh, are meant as part of that learning. I too have leared a lot about listeniong and accepting my own errors and being wrong about a lot of stuff. I was concerned about hacking a while ago, and learned from many and from those who were there back in the early days that some of that work preserved and allowed the Cavern to continue. Now we are facing new challanges, and it is I feel of the utmost importance for us to honour and respect the gestures and the support Cyan is giving to the future of URU. They would not appoint a senior lore master such as RAWA if they did not take the future of URU and MOUL seriously and he would not take on the task if he did not mean to give it his all.

So, please accept my applogies of my comments struck a personal note with anyone. I did not mean it to attack any one person but a negative and hurtful point of view that i percieve to be an enemy of all that is good in the cavern and in Cyan and in our community. We can be a source of strength for the journey, each of us, and all of us, and still be very different and have many differences of opinion.

To belittle Cyan or RAWA is to needlessly attack the very source of what brought us together and what has brought so many so much joy and fun and shared goodness.

My prayer is for Peace and sharing and growth and a future. My sincerity and hope is for us to support that chance. I hope that helps and I hope to see all of us back in the Cavern soon, as soon as possible and for there to be new ages and new content and new wonders for us all to share. Cyan wil do all they can, I am sure of that. I know so many of you have been doing a lot, a huge amount too. Let us continue together and leave behind the shadows any of us may harbour, myself included and I promise to try harder to be gentler and less judgemental...but i confess when something I lvoe as much as the URU and MOUL story and people who i care about and respect as much as Cyan and the staff and people there are attacked, i will and do defend and speak out, as i do for any and all that is good.

Peace and Shorah.

[BAD]

I think I just became diabetic.

Cris,

No one is belittling RAWA or Cyan. Saying you don't think someone is qualified to do something is not belittling them. It's called criticism. It's the thing that makes people work harder and create better things. You can't have positive without negative. You can't expunge or change negativity within any group of people. To think you can do such a thing is ignorant and immature.

What you need to do is embrace the negative. To let them be. You need negative comments and criticism to drive RAWA and Cyan to strive to be better. Otherwise, why would they bother. To have a fan base that worships every thing you do breeds laziness.

When I read your post, it seems to me you are creating a fantasy world around yourself. You want reality to fit into this fantasy, and when it doesn't you react badly and say things like your earlier post. My advice to you is instead of trying to make things the way you want, take things as they develop. If people say things you don't agree with, make your opinion known, but don't tell them to get lost. THe more respect you put out, the more you will receive.