RAWA is our new community manager

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Re: RAWA is our new community manager

Postby ddb174 » Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:17 pm

There certainly isn't a "Hoikas' gang". I also just speak for myself. If you pay attention, you'll notice differences between what the people say. E.g., you'll note that I never said that Rawa wouldn't say anything, or even that Rawa was worse than Chogan. I rather talked about dishonesty and insincerity from Cyan in the past and now, and talked about whether it might change in the future, though I don't expect that to happen based on past experience with them.

As for optimism vs. pessimism: I don't know if it's good to look at things that way. I don't like either, really. Or rather, I should say that I don't like the kind of optimism that lies about the bad things, nor the kind of pessimism that lies about the good things. I like the kind of optimism that looks at the silver lining, and the kind of pessimism that looks at things that could be better. That said, if one is underrepresented, I sometimes point those things out more. In the case of Cyan, I feel that there are a ton of things they could do better (most importantly, how they treat other people), and so that tends to be the things I mention more. There are always a ton of people to point out the positive things in this community, but in some communities, it is the other way around, and then I tend to point out the silver linings more.
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Re: RAWA is our new community manager

Postby Tweek » Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:39 pm

After being in the community for over 10 years now I think I'm well within my right to be cynical. I'm not a head up an orifice, Cyan can do no wrong person, I like Cyan, I love Uru & Myst, they've had a big impact on my life that I won't soon forget (I met my wife from the community and move from the UK to the US), but I'll call it like I see it. And for those who say "we don't need negativity", I'd like to point out that a certain Cyan employee used to ask my opinion on things because I told it as I see it and didn't brown nose, if criticism good enough for them then it should be good enough for the fans.

Blind zealous devotion will not get us anywhere, the same for the zealous criticism. A balance works, it allows for progression otherwise things stagnate.

Belittling the work the fans have done because it "conflicts" (and other such concepts) with Cyan is nonsense, Whilst Cyan have not outright allowed for the work we do to happen it doesn't mean they shun it. Season 2 for MOUL was all about the guilds and plans for fan content, not to mention that Mark DeForest (Chogon) served as a judge for a fan Age contest.

And lets be honest here, what in the past year has Cyan done to keep the fans occupied? Not a thing. What have the fans done? Released a bunch of fan Ages for people to explore, allowed for MOUL content to be played again (whether you agree with it or not). These things are needed to keep the community occupied in a time where there is no news.

I'm sorry but the community is going to conform to your bubble reality, it's a mixed group of people with different ideas some good some bad, you accept and you deal, which I know can be easier said than done.

It'll be interesting to see where this goes with Rawa taking over. I don't really see much changing in term of communication, but we never know. Back "in the day" Rawa was pretty communicative on TheLysts and in Cyan Chat, course Uru Prologue pitching the fail whale kind of clammed them up in terms of communication and I feel they have probably suffered because of it over the years.

Remaining positive in these hard times are fine, but don't expect everyone to feel the same way.
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Re: RAWA is our new community manager

Postby BAD » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:15 pm

Who is being militantly pessimistic? Before the big hullabaloo, I only saw people say they think that RAWA won't be a good Community manager. They all read as personal opinions and not a single one is trying to force that idea on others.

However, those who claim to be optimists are telling those posters to stop stating their opinions because they believe that they are harming Cyan somehow. They even go as far as to tell them to leave.

Sure, I flamed some people. I have called them dumb and ignorant. I have said some very harsh things. Have I once told them to change their opinion? Have I told them to leave? No I haven't and neither has anyone who shares a cynical outlook on this situation.

I think the real difference we should be discussing is those who tolerate others opinions, and those who are intolerant. ;)
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Re: RAWA is our new community manager

Postby Dr Crisger » Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:17 pm

RAWA is doing a wonderful job already ,sharing focused and excellent intel and info on Age Making which will be the work of the Guild of Writers and Guild of Maintainers and the Guild of Cartographers in the Cavern when it returns.

http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic. ... c&start=90

Mod Note: Removed large, unnecessary quote.
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Re: RAWA is our new community manager

Postby J'Kla » Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:39 pm

Thank you mystery Mod :)
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Re: RAWA is our new community manager

Postby Dakro » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:53 am

I know Cyan is far from perfect, I just thought I should get that out of the way, and I can argue that by using one big word that makes even the most devoted to Cyan cringe: Episodes. I like the level this conversasion has gotten now, and I apoligize for getting out of hand. You're right, I can't change anyone's opinions. I don't know, I have this belief that if I see someone doing something that I feel is wrong, I should do something about it.

Has RAWA been community manager before? I'm just wondering.

If he has, then I apoligize for having an askew opinion of him. The way I looked at it, we didn't know how he was going to do, and people were rolling their eyes and saying "Oh no. Anyone but RAWA." You know? I just thought that was a little judgemental, because I had no clue how he was going to do. Like you guys, I wasn't expecting much, at all. To be honest, my initial reaction was it was going to be more of the same. Especially considering RAWA's rep, of being quiet. Chogon never had that on him, but he sure as hell could have said more. But he's said more to the community than Chogon since he'd been given the title "community manager."

I have to agree with theclam back there. Something I'd really like to open up a discussion about, if I may. Now that RAWA is our community manager, what can be done to reinitiate communication with Cyan? And also, out of my own curiousity, what communication did we have in the past, and how did it become severed? I know they don't approve of our "hacks", but I think it may prove beneficial to at least have some kind of contact with them. I found this post interesting..

http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic. ... c&start=90

He explains the pipeline of age creation, knowledge of where they get their ideas, modeling techniques, ect. Could be very useful! :D I don't want to give up on the idea that we can have some kind of mutual relationship with them, mistakes have been made in the past, but that's where they remain. We have a chance to start fresh with a new community manager, and I think we could take advantage of that.

Quite alot of harsh words were exchanged, and I want to apoligize for my own if any feelings were hurt. Also if you still believe I'm putting on some kind of act, I want you to understand this all comes from the heart, and I really wouldn't write it all if I didn't mean it. If there's anything I'm asking to be understood about this post, its that much.

I care about Uru alot, I care about this guild alot, and I know at heart you're all good people. I also know that politics has this strange way of making even the best of friends turn on each other. I swore to myself that everyone here was part of my D'ni family (even if I didn't know them well.. they were like distant cousins that I'd add on facebook). So.. I don't know, that's all I have to say really, God bless you guys, because things could have gotten a lot worse here, haha.

So can we discuss communication, or should I make a seperate topic?
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Re: RAWA is our new community manager

Postby BAD » Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:56 am

I think my problem with RAWA has nothing to do with him as a person, but rather the situation he is put into. From my experience RAWA can be very verbose when necessary. However, in this situation, he will not be able to discuss certain things. Certain things that will be vital to Uru's continuance.

Simple questions like, "Will open source Uru be released now that you're (allegedly) using the plasma engine to create MQO?" He couldn't possibly answer this unless given permission.

Open Source Uru would have been the apex of the age creation movement within Uru. It would have legitimized everything done here and at Alcugs, cobbs, agebuilders, and all the other sites devoted to creation of ages. Unfortunately it can't be done if Cyan signed any deal that prohibits them from distributing any code associated with the MQO license. If MQO is built from Plasma then it's a good bet the MagiQuest people are not going to want it open.

I could be wrong, and it really is just a man power issue. What I do know for sure is that Cyan is not answering that question right now.
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Re: RAWA is our new community manager

Postby ddb174 » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:46 pm

To answer part of BAD's question, MQO is indeed made with Plasma. The prp format is a little different from MOUL, but there are no major changes yet, and I already know all the changes. But yes, it's an interesting question about whether Cyan will further hesitate open-sourcing because of MQO.
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Re: RAWA is our new community manager

Postby BAD » Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:57 pm

BAD wrote:Simple questions like, "Will open source Uru be released now that you're (allegedly) using the plasma engine to create MQO?".




RAWA wrote:
Semplerfi wrote: I would like Cyan to speak for it self. Post something as simple and non-committal as:

Quote:

Cyan’s business agreement with Creative Kingdoms/MagiQuest Online does not affect Cyan’s open source plans. Cyan is busy working on other things and will get to open source as resources become available.




This isn't news, since the second half is pretty much what Rand said at Mysterium. But I'll reiterate:

Cyan's business agreement with Creative Kingdoms/MagiQuest Online does not affect Cyan's open source plans.Cyan is busy working on other things and will get to open source as resources become available.

When I have new information on this or any other front, I'll let you know.


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Re: RAWA is our new community manager

Postby Jamey » Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:14 pm

I'm starting to think RAWA is getting more involved with us than Chogon was... :shock:

(No disrespect to Chogon of course)
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