Role play

[BAD]

An IC forum would probably be a good idea, but it's up to the admins.

Let me flesh out my ideas of why Gehn failed as a writer (which he really didn't but....). Gehn had a focused, brilliant, but sick mind. I believe that Gehn was more than able to write brilliant ages, but that his anger, frustration, and violence clouded his abilities to write. In the book of Atrus it says that he learned from reading books he found in the cavern, iirc, they never said if these were linking books, descriptive books, or books on the use of the art. Since the trilogy books are not really canon anyway, that leaves the idea of what Gehn found and how he used it wide open. So yes, I think it is entirely possible that explorers or the DRC could find learning books on the skill of ink creation, book building, and writing of ages.

However, if we want to have a specific way that we did learn to write, we'll need input from Cyan. Nothing more than RAWA posting, "Yes, it is entirely possible someone could happen upon materials that were for teaching students in the ancient GOW how to create descriptive and linking books.".

From a starting point like that, I believe, we would need no more from Cyan.

I still think a character or explorer should be used to start the use of the name Guild of Writers. Perhaps they started it as a way to give explorers a sign of who to ask about writing? I wear a GOW shirt whenever I am in MOULa and the conversation usually turns to new explorer made ages. I think that we wear the shirt to show we are a person to ask about age writing, and to inspire others to give it a try.

[Aloys]

Gehn failed as a Writer because he approached Writing the same way I approached Python coding: copy, paste, tweak a couple variables, and then pray that it doesn't explode.

[Jadawin12]

I really like this idea... which I may have said before but I'm tired so I hope you can forgive me. Yes we writers could be learning from Linking Books and discovered Descriptive Books but also perhaps someone could find a battered copy of the Rehevkor From those things it is quite likely we would at least be on the road to learning... our Ages may not be perfect but they would be on thier way... And yes a IC presence in the Cavern would be a fantastic thing... Maybe a Bevin... Who knows?

[GPNMilano]

I still think a character or explorer should be used to start the use of the name Guild of Writers. Perhaps they started it as a way to give explorers a sign of who to ask about writing?

I for one am strongly against the idea of a single character introducing the community to the GoW's *unless that person is me of course...kidding* Simply cause we've seen what happens when one explorer is elevated above others for the sole purpose of storylines. Even though those cases were Cyan storylines (Rils, Tink, the Liason debacle, whats his name that got to pick what Guild's would be started up by the DRC) it still got alot of people upset. I really don't think we need a repeat of that again, even if it's us doing it and not Cyan *again, unless that person is me *

IMO the easiest way to go about it is to just pick it up where the DRC had left it. The current GoW's in MOULa was started by a handful of people, years ago, when the DRC left the first time, who'd discovered the Gahro-hevtee and Rehvekor, blank books and ink. As time went on the group got larger and larger till the DRC decided that they would be one of the recognized guilds that would be started up in Kirel. They did this in the hopes that these people would teach incoming explorers the ways of the art and to provide new ages for everyone to explore in. It's simple, and doesn't need any explanation other than where we learned it and when.

There really doesn't need to be any reason that the DRC wouldn't want explorers to learn the art. (They pretty much said on the Info Cards in Kirel that the DRC hoped the Guild of Writer's they were endorsing would pick up where the D'ni one left off.) And there isn't any need to put the responsibility of "forming" the IC Guild of Writer's onto one person alone. *unless it's me *

[BAD]

I still think a character or explorer should be used to start the use of the name Guild of Writers. Perhaps they started it as a way to give explorers a sign of who to ask about writing?

I for one am strongly against the idea of a single character introducing the community to the GoW's *unless that person is me of course...kidding* Simply cause we've seen what happens when one explorer is elevated above others for the sole purpose of storylines. Even though those cases were Cyan storylines (Rils, Tink, the Liason debacle, whats his name that got to pick what Guild's would be started up by the DRC) it still got alot of people upset. I really don't think we need a repeat of that again, even if it's us doing it and not Cyan *again, unless that person is me *

IMO the easiest way to go about it is to just pick it up where the DRC had left it. The current GoW's in MOULa was started by a handful of people, years ago, when the DRC left the first time, who'd discovered the Gahro-hevtee and Rehvekor, blank books and ink. As time went on the group got larger and larger till the DRC decided that they would be one of the recognized guilds that would be started up in Kirel. They did this in the hopes that these people would teach incoming explorers the ways of the art and to provide new ages for everyone to explore in. It's simple, and doesn't need any explanation other than where we learned it and when.

There really doesn't need to be any reason that the DRC wouldn't want explorers to learn the art. (They pretty much said on the Info Cards in Kirel that the DRC hoped the Guild of Writer's they were endorsing would pick up where the D'ni one left off.) And there isn't any need to put the responsibility of "forming" the IC Guild of Writer's onto one person alone. *unless it's me *

Now I'm *not* suggesting the GOW had or has a leader. I am suggesting that someone along the line said, "Hey why don't we use the name Guild Of Writers?" and that is how the group took over the name.

We could easily make it a group of people who did this too, but I figured it would be easier to just say this rogue DRC member said as he gave all the notes and findings on writing to the group of explorers, "You guys would be like the new Guild of Writers, only I know you will only be in name, as I can see none of you wish to remake the mistakes of the past." or something like that.

Basically someone suggests the name was my idea.

[GPNMilano]

Now I'm *not* suggesting the GOW had or has a leader. I am suggesting that someone along the line said, "Hey why don't we use the name Guild Of Writers?" and that is how the group took over the name.

We could easily make it a group of people who did this too, but I figured it would be easier to just say this rogue DRC member said as he gave all the notes and findings on writing to the group of explorers, "You guys would be like the new Guild of Writers, only I know you will only be in name, as I can see none of you wish to remake the mistakes of the past." or something like that.

Basically someone suggests the name was my idea.

I get what you're saying, sort of, I just don't see it as a necessary idea. Cyan has basically told us, that A. We can create ages (our own ages not written by the D'ni) and B. We can create ages that IC were written by the D'ni. As well as areas of D'ni itself as long as it doesn't conflict with areas they've specifically created or are planning to make, or areas written about in the books. IE, as long as the new D'ni stuff doesn't conflict with their canon, they're okay with us making a new District in D'ni, or a new style Hood, or a self contained building that's not in already released areas like A'geura and the hoods. AND since IC those areas are going to be restored by explorers, it makes sense that the materials discovered in them are going to be restored by explorers.

Basically Cyan has told us it's okay to make D'ni, as long as we don't conflict with what they've made and are planning in the future to work on. They've given FCAL's to people whose ages are D'ni in origin. They have FCAL's sitting on their desks somewhere for areas in the cavern. It fits IC that the GoW discovered how to write ages from areas that explorers have been restoring during the time when the DRC hasn't held a presence in the cavern. When they left we took over. There's no reason for a rouge DRC, or any other character to hand us the info, when Cyan has basically told us "IC you guys can restore whatever you want as long as it doesn't conflict with our stuff"

In that essence, the DRC, or any other entity or person wouldn't have to give anyone anything, we discovered it on our own, and we've been working on it since explorers first stepped into the cavern. I just don't see the need for any other explanation other when what's already been provided us by Cyan themselves.

EDIT: Just reread my post and wanted to clarify one thing. I think all of the above is true. Unless the person who suggests the name or discovers the Gahrohevtee is me.

[JWPlatt]

What is the real topic here? Is it a) Why don't "they" like us? or b) Let's do IC and hope people like us better? I seem to cause some sort of conflagration whenever I post here or pass on a message. So before I risk a brief opinion (hint: it involves neither so-called hacking, directly, nor IC), I'd like to make sure it's at least on topic.

[Trylon]

It's B
Well, at least that's how the discussion turned out.

Personally, my answer to A would be 1) because we're still a bit Guild of Anarchists at heart (not that I think there's anything wrong with that) and 2) there simply aren't any of our ages in MOULa yet, so most people don't know what we're all about.

Anyway, let's continue with B, I liked the discussion.
Hoikas, how about that IC subforum?

[Aloys]

What is the real topic here? Is it a) Why don't "they" like us? or b) Let's do IC and hope people like us better?

The real topic is 'what can we do to better integrate IC'.
But to answer your question differently: the topic isn't really so much about 'why don't people like us' but rather 'why don't they understand or even know what we do'. Adapting our work a little more to Uru's RP aspects is one way to make ourselves and our work be understood.

[BAD]

I know many reasons why people don't like the GOW, most people who call themselves members here know many reasons why people don't like the GOW, that's not really necessary to discuss.

I intended this thread to give the GOW a back-story for IC purposes. I wanted to make sure people understood my motives, and it is to make the GOW more accessible to those who do not understand what we do or feel we are ignoring a large portion of Uru fandom.

GPNMillano,

Your post keeps talking about Cyan, and IC wise Cyan is a silly game company that got all the stories of D'ni and Atrus all wrong. So that explanation is all OCC and void unfortunately.

I want to mirror the OCC story of the guild. Basically that there were a bunch of groups and people writing ages, and then at some point these people and groups merged into the GOW. Some event or person should trigger this I think. The GOW formed because Cyan wanted it to happen, yes, but we have to explain, without using Cyan how we started calling this grou the Guild of Writers. Otherwise we leave it to mystery and that would only breed unanswered questions.

I want to avoid tangential stories about how the GOW was created. IMO if we leave that to vague there will be multiple stories made and it will confuse people to much. If anything, the story of how the GOW formed is the most important question that needs to be answered.