Bink Layer or plLayerBink

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Re: Bink Layer or plLayerBink

Postby andylegate » Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:03 am

Just wanted to update everyone on this:

After talking with Mark and Lloyd at Cyan, the answer is: Yes, you can apply a .bik movie to a mesh in your Age, without having to use any python at all.

The process is simple: Make sure you have the .bik file not only in your "avi" folder of your Uru install, but you need to make a "avi" folder under your export folder for Max (like mine is C:\PlasmaTest).

Create a Plasma Standard material for your mesh, and make the layer a Plasma Layer. Simply pick the .bik file for your texture is all (and correctly UV Map it).
Also, if you want the .bik movie to automatically play, and loop (like the case for animated linking panels on a book laying there), make sure in the Materials you put a check mark where it says "Autostart" and "Loop" under the Animation Perameters.

It's that simple.

Now, a word of warning. Dustin discovered that this can be buggy. Sometimes the plugin will give you a Unknown plConvert error when you export. If it does, try exporting a 2nd time.

Now for the bad news: I've not been able to replicate this (all though others have, so we know it works), but I think it may be because I'm using Windows 7. 3DS Max 7 does not like Windows 7 too much. I get the error every single time when I export. So if you suffer the same problem, and have Windows 7 as your OS, don't feel bad, I'm with you.
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Re: Bink Layer or plLayerBink

Postby Aloys » Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:35 am

Well this is great news; especially for those of us not fluent in Python. Thanks for the investigation work Andy!
However once more it begs the question: if this is so simple why the heck didn't they do animated panel in CC?.. I guess that's one of the great mysteries of the universe that will never be solved..
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Re: Bink Layer or plLayerBink

Postby N. Sigismund » Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:50 am

Lack of money?
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Re: Bink Layer or plLayerBink

Postby Paradox » Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:34 pm

Because the linking panel would not accurately show the avatars and state of the Age (Gira day/night cycle, Ahnonay sphere etc.), and that contradicted the existing canon.

Of course, that was back when they seemed to care about contradicting canon >.>
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Re: Bink Layer or plLayerBink

Postby Aloys » Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:47 pm

Because the linking panel would not accurately show the avatars and state of the Age (Gira day/night cycle, Ahnonay sphere etc.), and that contradicted the existing canon.
Yeah, i do know about that explanation, my point is it was non-sense. :) The state of the Age isn't reflected anyway in static panels, at least animated panel looks great, are a staple of the Myst series and if anything they would have been a selling point.

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Re: Bink Layer or plLayerBink

Postby andylegate » Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:30 pm

File size? I mean back then, not now.

The Reststop video's for Myst V, are 10 MB each, and it's a 30 second long vid. Of course there are other tricks of the trade to shave file sizes down. I know I recently converted a media file to bink format, and it was 3 minutes 19 seconds long. File size was 160 MB. Then again, it had audio with it. Maybe the more video's you have in a Age slows down the load up?

Not sure either. But it is very doable for linking panels, both the ones laying on the book, and in the BookGUI pop up.
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Re: Bink Layer or plLayerBink

Postby Lontahv » Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:36 pm

Binks are really huge. Yet another reason why we need the plLayerFLV. ;)
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Re: Bink Layer or plLayerBink

Postby Paradox » Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:54 pm

Lontahv wrote:Binks are really huge. Yet another reason why we need the plLayerFLV. ;)

No Flash!

Theora would be good for Uru IMO... It's not the best quality, but for Uru's uses it should do fine, and it compresses very well.
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Re: Bink Layer or plLayerBink

Postby Lontahv » Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:10 pm

Theora is pretty good. I've had good experiences with Xvid compression too.
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Re: Bink Layer or plLayerBink

Postby ddb174 » Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:12 pm

So, there are lots of choices now:
1) Stay with Bink: no re-encoding and unarbitrary, but has possible patent issues.
2) h264(the format flv uses): A standard, and looks very good, with great compression, but has possible patent issues.
3) Theora: kind-of in-the-air, and not the best quality, but no patent issues.

All of these have open-source implementations now.
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