RAWA is our new community manager

[The stranger]

This is something everyone should realise about mystonline.com. It is one of the worst moderated forums I've ever seen. Some people say it is almost entirely veralun. That may be, but in any event, Cyan tolerates it, and even encourages it with their forum policies, even though they've been told about it many times. So that doesn't say much for them either.

It depends on what "wrost" is for you. You see, the problem with hackers is that they didn't realize what they are yet: hackers. Is hacking bad? no, I like it. But it's all Cyan Worlds' choice, and I think it's reasonable for them to choose to say "no" to hacks. Is it right? I don't think so. But I still expect them to say so. And if you want change things you go to them (will it help? I don't know. But it cuould be affective, as posting at MOUL forums isn't). The mods work by their rules, since it's Cyan Worlds' forums. It's not up to the mods. And BTW, posting all kind of sarcastic yet deliberately teasing posts (which most of the writers do. You know who I mean), with the smell of "moul forums sux lol!" won't change anything.

[Chacal]

RAWA must be getting a kick out of this thread.

I have to say his first post is encouraging; I would put the meter on "skeptic optimism" for now.
One can hope his communication style will be more like Chogon's sparse frankness than like Rand's corporate speak.

Chacal: What prp files exactly will we be able to serve on our open-source data server?

Chogon: I have no freaking idea, man. It's just me, RAWA, Rand and the cleaning lady right now and I'm part-time.
RAWA: One must follow the path of the pebble until the mountain tumbles down to the ocean and doubts its existentiality.
Rand: Cyan remains committed to providing the best user experience while maintaining our asset's added value in a proactive way.

[semplerfi]

yea,i agree, really the only place where you can talk about those things is here actually

That's a fact.

And spot on Chacal.

[Aloys]

What's with all the negativity against RAWA's nomination and posting style..
Some people seem to think that this switch will make things either better or worse. His 'arrival' may change the atmosphere on the MOUL forum; (for the better I hope), but IMHO the only thing that would really change the situation would be some good news about OS Uru or some other similar positive news...

[diafero]

There is a huge difference between talking about Fan Created Ages, and things Cyan does not fully support such as Drizzle and the Offline KI. Those are the ones that usually get all the attention and get locked or deleted, I have yet to see a topic that was locked or deleted that was talking about a fan created age like Maw, The Writer's Niche, Fens, etc. Cyan fully supports Fan Created Ages, they put time to create forum sections dedicated to them, and RAWA made the rules for Official Story/Age Creation as well.

We already had that, didn't we? And you still keep repeating that over and over again. Drizzle is no more of an Uru "hack" than PyPRP or any fan-created age out there. You can not support fan-created ages without supporting PyPRP. So, regarding MOUL moderation, the situation is even worse than if they removed all hacking stuff - they are accepting some kind of hacks which they choose by personal preference or the state of Saturn, and abandon other results of the very same process, which are even the precondition for what they say they officially support. At best, I would call that highhanded.

[Dakro]

I have to agree with D'nial here

There has been very little talk about RAWA's appointment to community manager being dubious. But that's what it is. We don't know how this will turn out.

I read through quite a few responses on here, and most of the negativity towards them right now seem to be based on assumptions. I read all of what you guys have to have said and these are a few highlights.

Chacal:

Chacal: What prp files exactly will we be able to serve on our open-source data server?

Chogon: I have no freaking idea, man. It's just me, RAWA, Rand and the cleaning lady right now and I'm part-time.
RAWA: One must follow the path of the pebble until the mountain tumbles down to the ocean and doubts its existentiality.
Rand: Cyan remains committed to providing the best user experience while maintaining our asset's added value in a proactive way.

Dhelayan:

Easy to answer: they had no other person to do it...

Hoikas:

He will make no more posts after this brief introductory period.

I'm not trying to call people out here, but the justifications for most of the disappointments here are based on assumptions. And reading his introduction was a little more suprising. Hell, I knew Cyan and others are under alot of pressure to push Magiquest out, but he's got four kids to watch at home, too? I'm suprised he had time to write as much as he did. And when you guys weren't expecting any response on this post, he did. Now that he did, you're saying he won't anymore. I'm just saying a man with enough drive to do a good job with Riven so much so that he created an entire language and culture, which I'm sure was a bit more than he was asked for, I put a little trust in the quality of his work with this. It doesn't seem like it would be in his character to slack off, and when he was told of this position, I don't think his first thought was that's what he was going to do (especially hearing about all the emails he was responding to during Riven). He's a human being, just like the rest of us after all.

I think we have a right to call him out if he's not doing a good job, but what I'm hearing right now is people calling him out for things, he hasn't even done yet. I mean you don't have to support him, but there's certainly no reason to antagonize him based on empty assumptions. I say we put them aside, and just wait and see how he does, because the fact of the matter is, none of us know how he's going to do.

[Chacal]

Which is why we're having fun with our speculations.

[J'Kla]

We have to assume RAWA looks here, (You don't need an account to be a lurker) we have no evidence either way but it's for certain there will be someone giving him the heads up and to that end there's no harm in making it clear what we think of his past record.

Now if he rises to the bait and puts it a sterling performance as Community Manager, then myself and possibly others be queuing up to praise him. Until then there's no harm in the exercise of our prerogative in letting out our doubts in his ability.

Should he choose to go hide under a rock that's his choice but the role does come with a requirement for a temperament with the skin of a pachyderm. He also has a reputation for sphinx like explanations. That is responses that read like Japanese Haiku's.

Cyan have always made it clear that they will not talk about hacks or to hackers. Provided age writers are using legal tools like blender to write ages then it's not hacking till you use a script or tool to port it into Combined Chronicles whatever so their stance on talking to age builders does have some consistency. Albeit a sort of tunnel vision view. That includes the point where they will talk to an age writer and totally ignore any past incursions into hack provided the post or question makes no reference to anything they consider a hack.

I don't like it I would prefer to see them engaged in talks that will enable the development of this Open Source experiment in a true Open Source way, as it is they choose to work behind closed doors so we are scuppered till they release something.

[The stranger]

Well there you go RAWA posted "a bit" more. See, it's not so bad until now.

[Jamey]

Indeed he did!

(example, one of quite a few)
http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18582

So, lighten up guys!